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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: O.G color for a 56 Convertible |
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I am tryng to find out the color code and name for my 56 vert , the O.G color is a metallic Red color almost has a hint of Orange to it , the closest thing I could find is Inca Red in the WW color charts , but it states that it is a 58 only color and the vert in picture looks to be the same color hope somebody here on the Samba has an answer to this as I would like to put the car back to the way it was built by Karmann |
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KantDriveFast Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Inca Red was added as a 'vert color in Aug. '55, chassis #1-0929 746. It was used till the '60 model (Aug. '59).
Coral red was added in Apr. '56, but wasn't metallic.
Post a pic if you can.
Hope this helps? |
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potentvw Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like you have an early 56 convertible. Chassis no. 1-0929746 to 1173572. If this is the case, the color could be L54-Poppy Red.
This color was a convertible only color from 51 to March 56. In April 56 the color was replaced with Coral Red.
Do you have any of the original top or interior? This would help in identifying your color.
I hope this helps you. |
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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it is an early 56 car #1154xxx it definately is a metallic red / burnt orange color , the Karmann body 15- 29xxx thanks for any info you can find I would really like to bring her back to the O.G color , Erick The Electrician |
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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the interior was a light beige possibly an off white textured vinyl and no evidence of the top color , the speedo is dated 1/56 and definately believe it to be the Original |
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Foxx Uncle Meat
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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yes it doesn't show anything close to a metallic red but Thanks anyway |
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potentvw Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Early 56 convertibles in Poppy Red had a few different interior choices. Light Beige-K171-is correct for your car. The top also had a few different choices. Beige-V21 Black-V1 Lt Gray-V31. Hope this helps. |
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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very much , any idea where to get the mixing formula ? Thanks for your help |
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potentvw Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Early VW's were painted with Glasurit brand paints. You can try a local automotive paint/body shop supplier, preferably someone who deals with Glasurit. You can also go to www.Glasurit.com. Hope this helps you. |
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanks fo the link , but it still isn't showing much , the local restoration shop here can't figure out what is supposed to be either , I will get the birth certificate and then will know for sure , the color charts from various venders contradict a lot of the info on years and what not , Thanks for the help from everyone who replied to this thread , Erick The Electrician |
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potentvw Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Erick, if you have the original paint somewhere on your car, such as the glovebox door, or under the hood or decklid, you can take them down to your local automotive paint supplier and he should be able to scan the original paint and come up with the correct formula, as well as the paint color name. This is common practice today when trying to find original paint formula's for old cars. I have seen this done many times and the colors are very very close, sometimes even dead on. Good Luck. |
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: |
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the only problem is that it is real faded everywhere |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Just a quick question, is it a USA version ? Was it assembled in Germany? Almost all of our (USA) literature is written with the tunnel vision that the USA version was the only one that existed and that all Beetles were made in West Germany to "current" West German factory specs, both of these are false assumptions.
OK, help me understand, you "know" what the color of the car is because you have the car in front of you. You state that all the color chips you see are not the right color to match your car. You state that the original paint, even in the hidden recesses, is so faded that a computer color match is impossible, I ask How do you know what is the proper color and how can you reject so many chips when you doubt the color of the "original" so much??
Paint doesn't fade very much without the effects of sunshine and weather. Just like original oil paintings and rare documents, they all need the effects of the environment to cause deterioration. That little bit of original paint (cleaned up) on your glove box strap is most likely very very close to being what it looked like the day it left the factory or the last time it was completely stripped, painted and restored.
Keep in mind, birth certificates aren't always correct all the time. Just search the Samba forums and you will dig up many gripes about wrong birth certificate information. I once read about someone overseas being told their car was a USA version in a completely different color when it was obviously untrue. So as good as it is to get it, that is not going to necessarily be a 100% correct answer.
Early importers of the VW (at least in England) because of the poor paint quality and interior quality would sometimes redo the entire car bringing it up to "acceptable" standards to sell. Repainting the body and installing new interiors (often leather). I doubt that they were concerned with factory paint color match.
Just maybe something similar happened to yours along the way??
If it isn't Inca Red, you might consider using this color for it is an original color and was matched with a beige interior.
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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as far as the fading yhr car sat outside with no hood , no decklid and no fenders for what I know was at least 11 years , so believe me it is faded , plus on top of that it was repainted green , Ica Red looks close but in 2 out of the 3 color charts it states late 57 (early 58 cars ) and a couple of years up from that , Poppy Red is showing somewhere in the mid to late 60's , I am not dumb and do know quite a bit about early Volkswagens , I am not 100 % sure what to believe about this color without some kind of legitimate documentation . Don't get me wrong I am asking for help with this matter and am happy to get any help I can since alot of people that have seen the car or pieces with the original color have also not been able to find out the color as well . We know it's an O.G color because I have a door that came totally seperate from the car from a totally different place and is the same exact color , I am not closed minded to it being Inca Red because that is the only color that is very close in pictures but I want to be sure before I spend $12,000.00 on a paint job to find out that it isn't right , hope you understand where I am coming from and Thanks again for the help , Erick |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I was not shooting down anyones answers right away I looked for at least 2 hours last night on the Glasurit link that was given to me,also on the Wolfsburg West sight , here on the Samba color charts which also recommend the Glasurit sight , auto color Library as well I have not found any metallic red colors for 1956 type 1 let alone the Karmann Cabriolets , I am Thankful for the help that I have recieved , so I don't know what your attitude is but it sucks , all I am trying to do is see if anyone might know or has experience with this color obviously you don't so what is the point of posting on this thread ?
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I was not shooting down anyones answers right away I looked for at least 2 hours last night on the Glasurit link that was given to me on the Wolfsburg West sight , here on the Samba color charts which also recommend the Glasurit sight , auto color Library as well I have not found any metallic red colors for 1956 type 1 let alone the Karmann Cabriolets , I am Thankful for the help that I have recieved , so I don't know what your attitude is but it sucks , all I am trying to do is see if anyone might know or has experience with this color obviously you don't so what is the point of posting on this thread ? |
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ericktheelectrician Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I was not shooting down anyones answers right away I looked for at least 2 hours last night on the Glasurit link that was given to me on the Wolfsburg West sight , here on the Samba color charts which also recommend the Glasurit sight , auto color Library as well I have not found any metallic red colors for 1956 type 1 let alone the Karmann Cabriolets , I am Thankful for the help that I have recieved , so I don't know what your attitude is but it sucks , all I am trying to do is see if anyone might know or has experience with this color obviously you don't so what is the point of posting on this thread ? |
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KantDriveFast Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Damn. As often as I post on here, I'm still amazed at the attitude people give to those trying to help them. If you were stuck in the mud, and a stranger pulls up in an old truck, with a strap to pull you out...do you look at their vehicle and say "you're gonna pull me out with that?"
Why haven't you posted a picture of the hidden areas of your car?
Yours is not the first and only VW that came in that color. The chances are quite good that someone else has found an old 'vert that was painted that very color, and knows just what they look like faded. Instead of using just your eyes to guess the color, give the hundreds of oval 'vert owners on here a chance to use theirs.
Just because you ask a question, doesn't mean you are ENTITLED to a perfectly correct answer. |
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