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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:53 am    Post subject: Bee hive tail light template Reply with quote

Hi..I'm a new kid on the block in this forum....I have finally progressed to my '56 356A T1 resto. Part of the bare metal process is to convert the later model teardrop tail lights to the original "bee hives"
Can anyone out there assist with template dimensions for the set out ????
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in the same boat I have a 54 Pre A that was made to look like a 56 + car so i need to reverse this also..

let us know what you come up with
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm number three with the same need/problem. Even a series of measurements would help out.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, then......I'm number 4 Applause

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I can see where the paint was blended in around the lights, and from the back on one side I think I see something that looks like a screw hole with either bondo or weld filling it in. I have the appropriate lights, and bet if the paint was ground down, it would be apparent where the original lights were located.......but it sure would be nice to know the exact locations beforehand.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, I did a little futzing with Photoshop to see if I could get an idea of relative tail light placement between my car and the original photos of a '53 on Der White's website:

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The perspective is a little different, but I was able to line up the major body lines, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Want to sell the teardrop lights?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh jjjjack,
Nice futzing...I will build on that by hopefully transposing (...not futzing!!) dimensions over that image. My vehicle is almost completed metal resto work so I can easily access with bumpers removed etc....scribble on the panel work even!!! Shocked
Stay tuned
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hoghead:

Yes, I'll be selling these once they are removed. I'm not when it's going to happen at this point...but I'm hoping to do it soon.

eno:

Perfect! That will really help. I feel pretty confidant that the innermost lights outer diameter begins at the point of my existing teardrop. The perspective of the reference photo begins to distort towards the edge, shifting the outer lights upward. You can tell this by how the bumper tips don't align. So, I think the outer lights are probably on the same horizontal centerline as the inners (unlike as the photo suggests). The key number for me is going to be the measurement from centerline to centerline of each pair of lights.

I put some reference lines over the drawing, showing the critical points that need a number. I think the best point of reference might be from the center, bottom edge of the engine lid opening (that point should be the same on all cars, whereas the bottom under the bumper is sometimes tweaked or changed as well).

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I also put a copy of the Photoshop document on my server if it helps:

http://www.jigglingwhisker.com/downloads/composite.psd
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might help you guys out,the distance to the inside edges of the light holes are
Inner lights 800mm
outer 1040mm
distance up from the lower edge of the rear clip to the bottom of the hole useing a tape measures 265cm for both,I know the outers look higher but if you run the tape around from the inner to the outer along the bottom of the clip it measures the same.
Ive checked on a repro clip and an original and the difference was minor.

Hope that helps out guys.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does! It really is pretty much all that's necessary for the install. Just need to know, what's the diameter of the hole for the light assembly?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will post details tomorrow and have a measure up!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool! I just measured from inner teardrop mounting screw to mounting screw on my car and it is exactly 31.5 inches (800mm).

Thanks for the help!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok please let me know when they are for sale
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will do!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

right!
beehive light hole sizes,main hole is 30mm dia,mount holes are 53mm apart and its 85mm between the lights going by the main hole.
Happy drilling/filing!!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 53 cabrio is disambled , If I can help Let me know.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"My 53 cabrio is disassembled, If I can help Let me know."

Photos and measurements, Dude! Photos and measurements . . . . . please ! !

The more info, the less chance of MY makin' a mistake.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, I can make a Template for you, I can deliver at the LAX show if you are atending or send it from here.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I received a message from someone with a disassembled '53 who took measurements (THANK YOU). Based on their car, the outer lights are slightly higher than the inners (~.75"). All dimensions are from centerline to centerline. Here they are:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAN ! ! ! !

Thanks everyone SO much for the info ! ! ! ! !

The rear of my '55 has been so badly customized that I thought that it would be impossible to get the lights placed correctly.

Now it just seems like a snap, of course this also means that I'm gonna have to get rid of my shine-up and SWF tear drop light assemblies cluttering up the dining room and pony up the $$ for a repro shine-down plate light/housing.

Thanks ! ! ! ! !


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