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Corwin
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 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Need opinions - New American-made Webers |
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I have the opportunity to buy an original set of Spanish Weber 44 IDFs but I see that the new American-made Weber kits are only about $125 more. And they're brand new. Does anyone have any experience with these? Are they the same quality as the older, original ones?
Need opinions on what to get. thanks.  |
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Bad bug
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Buy the Spanish set the American made set aren't that good. |
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stoneloco808
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| American made Webers? I never heard of those. Could someone post a link to those American made Webers. |
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Corwin
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Bashr52
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| i wonder if those are the Empi HPX knockoffs or whatever they are selling them as. |
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Dale M.
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Probably not HPMX... EMPI is so proud of there's their logo can be seen in 25 places on each carb...
Yes some new Webers are also made in USA....
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[email protected]
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| All of the IDF's are made in the U.S. now. Back when everyone was saying Weber went out of business, and there was a carb shortage, Weber was in the process of transferring the production of the IDF Carbs to the U.S. from Spain. IDF's will no longer be made in Spain. I know quite a few people that are very satisfied with thier EMPI HPMX Carbs. These American Made Webers are genuine Weber Carbs. I would see no reason that they would not be good. If you feel you have to have the Spanish IDF's, get them while you can. Once they're gone, they're gone. |
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The Noof
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| All of the IDF's are made in the U.S. now. Back when everyone was saying Weber went out of business, and there was a carb shortage, Weber was in the process of transferring the production of the IDF Carbs to the U.S. from Spain. IDF's will no longer be made in Spain. I know quite a few people that are very satisfied with thier EMPI HPMX Carbs. These American Made Webers are genuine Weber Carbs. I would see no reason that they would not be good. If you feel you have to have the Spanish IDF's, get them while you can. Once they're gone, they're gone. |
Where are they made in the U.S.?Just curious. |
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| I no longer have the e-mail from Weber of North America, and have since misplaced the printed copy. There is a company called Magnoli Marelli (spelling?) that previously made some of Webers Carbs like the ICT's, and Progressives that now makes the IDF's. I'm sure if you e-mail Weber of North America at [email protected] they could tell you. |
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Jake Raby
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I was sent 20 sets of these Carbs to do observations on by a large VW parts supplier..
The result was a 70% failure rate right out of the box..
Everything from bent throttle plates to castings with porosity issues tthat were not repairable..
My work resulted in 300 carbs being sent back to Weber. This was as recent as November of 07.
You won't know if they are good or bad till you fire it up!
I'll bet money that Weber didn't crush those 300 carbs that got shipped back to them-
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| I see that the body looks different. Do they only make 44 or 40´s also? |
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stoneloco808
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| Jake Raby wrote: |
I was sent 20 sets of these Carbs to do observations on by a large VW parts supplier..
The result was a 70% failure rate right out of the box..
Everything from bent throttle plates to castings with porosity issues tthat were not repairable..
My work resulted in 300 carbs being sent back to Weber. This was as recent as November of 07.
You won't know if they are good or bad till you fire it up!
I'll bet money that Weber didn't crush those 300 carbs that got shipped back to them- |
For some reason this is funny. It seems like the "Made in the USA" stuff is not that much/or any better than that empi/chinese stuff.
I am glad I still have my old italian and spanish made IDA's and IDF's stored away for future use. |
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The Noof
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| Jake Raby wrote: |
I was sent 20 sets of these Carbs to do observations on by a large VW parts supplier..
The result was a 70% failure rate right out of the box..
Everything from bent throttle plates to castings with porosity issues tthat were not repairable..
My work resulted in 300 carbs being sent back to Weber. This was as recent as November of 07.
You won't know if they are good or bad till you fire it up!
I'll bet money that Weber didn't crush those 300 carbs that got shipped back to them- |
For some reason this is funny. It seems like the "Made in the USA" stuff is not that much/or any better than that empi/chinese stuff.
I am glad I still have my old italian and spanish made IDA's and IDF's stored away for future use. |
...and that raises an excellent point.All the flag waivers should read into this thread, and draw any conclusion they want.Reality is, there's NO guaranty that "made in the USA" is any measure of quality.Look at the shitboxes the big 3 have been making/selling the last 10 years...but that's another argument. |
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guys,
I been telling people for years that the US Weber's should not be used, as far as I'm concerned they are junk. Yes they are probably better than the HPMX's, but that isn't saying much.
The Spanish Weber's are the way to go, they are still available. Obviously, old Italian Weber's are also excellent.
If I'm not mistaken, the US Weber's are actually manufactured in China, but assembled in North Carolina at Weber's plant there. It's actually a situation were you shouldn't care where it's made, they just plain suck there are always some Made in USA Turds to go along with some of the quality domestically made stuff.
Every week I hear from people who heard my advice on the US Weber's and elected to ignore it to save a little bit of money, and are kicking themselves over it.
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guys,
I been telling people for years that the US Weber's should not be used, as far as I'm concerned they are junk. Yes they are probably better than the HPMX's, but that isn't saying much.
The Spanish Weber's are the way to go, they are still available. Obviously, old Italian Weber's are also excellent.
If I'm not mistaken, the US Weber's are actually manufactured in China, but assembled in North Carolina at Weber's plant there. It's actually a situation were you shouldn't care where it's made, they just plain suck there are always some Made in USA Turds to go along with some of the quality domestically made stuff.
Every week I hear from people who heard my advice on the US Weber's and elected to ignore it to save a little bit of money, and are kicking themselves over it.
John
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Just ordered a pair of Weber 40 idf's from CB Performance.
I was given reassurance by 2 sales reps that I will be receiving
spanish webers..I hope they're not pulling my leg.
A word of caution to those who plan on ordering from Weber Direct,
call before you place your order. I received confirmation that their 40 idf kits are US Weber's.
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| Jake, did you mean 30 carbs sent back? |
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My guess is that the supplier of the carbs to Jake sent only a fraction of their inventory to him. Upon hearing the results they flushed the whole lot back to Weber so as not to hurt their own customers....
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O come on John tell us how you really fell, Don't hold back. LOL
If John says it you had better listen to him, I can't thank you enough for all your help over the last 2 years John.
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Jake Raby
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| dubkrzy wrote: |
| Jake, did you mean 30 carbs sent back? |
No, 300- a whole stock order.
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