Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts New!  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow?
Forum Index -> Performance/Engines/Transmissions Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
flightofphx
Samba Member


Joined: September 11, 2017
Posts: 79
Location: AZ
flightofphx is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:27 pm    Post subject: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

I purchased a baja recently that has a 1776, mild cam (110), big valve heads with a small (K3) turbo set o 6lbs boost. The motor runs great and has plently of power for my needs. It did not have a temp gauge, so I have one on order and will install it when received. It's a universal case so I am just going to drill the block off plate for the type 3 dipstick and install the sender there.
It does not seem to be running hot. I have only been taking infrared temp readings down the dipstick hole (I know, not the most accurate way) but should get a better idea when the gauge is installed.

Here is my question: I would feel much better with a full flow remote cooler installed. It currently uses one of the pump adapter plates for full flow oil filter add-on. The case is not drilled for full flow. I am really hesitant to drill the case with the motor assembled and in the car. I have heard people say it can be done, use a lot of grease on the bit and tap and change the oil immediately afterwards, but having metal filings in the case concerns me.

Is there another way or does anyone make an adapter that will let me add a remote oil cooler and keep my stock cooler? Or, am I being to concerned about drilling the case with out disassembly?


Last edited by flightofphx on Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:28 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Howard 111
Samba Member


Joined: July 09, 2005
Posts: 1811
Location: Virginia
Howard 111 is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

I would wait on the temp gauge to arrive and be installed so you can see if another oil cooler is needed.
_________________
1973 Karmann Ghia
Turbocharged, Fuel Injected
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=531270
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Classifieds Feedback
Cusser
Samba Member


Joined: October 02, 2006
Posts: 26156
Location: Hot Arizona
Cusser is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

I've run a fan shroud mounted oil cooler on my 1835cc engine in Phoenix since back in 1976; it has an adapter on the engine case inside the fan shroud.

Disclaimer: Be aware that many folks here claim this system won't work, and many claim my thin-wall 92mm cylinders won't work either !!!
_________________
1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2005 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
within.1
Samba Member


Joined: October 25, 2017
Posts: 179
Location: Pennsylvania
within.1 is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

On a 1776 shouldnt need a remote cooler i have a 2180 with 10.1compression that i added a cooler and had to take it off the engine run to cool the oem cooler is all it needed
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Classifieds Feedback
Howard 111
Samba Member


Joined: July 09, 2005
Posts: 1811
Location: Virginia
Howard 111 is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

CB Performance makes an adapter that let's you run the stock cooler, and a remote. PN 1790. But again, wait and see if it's needed.

I run a turbo on a 2007cc, and only have the stock cooler, no problems. You can't floor it ALL the time, and the oil gets a chance to cool.
_________________
1973 Karmann Ghia
Turbocharged, Fuel Injected
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=531270
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Classifieds Feedback
vwracerdave
Samba Member


Joined: November 11, 2004
Posts: 14115
Location: Deep in the 405
vwracerdave is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

Install the gauge 1st and see what your actual oil temps are. You won't need a auxillary cooler on a 1776. A Baja with an exposed engine should run cooler than a Bug with the enclosed engine compartment.

I DO NOT run an auxillary oil cooler on my 2276cc
_________________
2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
Featured in Dec. 2001 HOT VW's Magazine page 63

Watch my racing video's http://www.youtube.com/user/okvwracer/videos
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
esde
Samba Member


Joined: October 20, 2007
Posts: 4534
Location: central rust belt
esde is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

IF YOU DECIDE, you want an extra filter and cooler, use a 26mm CB maxi pump
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/CB-26mm-Maxi-3-Oil-Pumps-1798-1799-p/1798-1799.htm
It uses a smaller 1/4" NPT line size, but I've installed several (on already built engines like yours) and had no problems.
I've drilled and tapped finished engines for full flow, yeah even though it can be done, it's risky.
SD
_________________
modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
[email protected]
Samba Member


Joined: May 17, 2003
Posts: 4228
Location: Harmony, PA
gkeeton@zbzoom.net is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

esde wrote:
IF YOU DECIDE, you want an extra filter and cooler, use a 26mm CB maxi pump
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/CB-26mm-Maxi-3-Oil-Pumps-1798-1799-p/1798-1799.htm
It uses a smaller 1/4" NPT line size, but I've installed several (on already built engines like yours) and had no problems.
I've drilled and tapped finished engines for full flow, yeah even though it can be done, it's risky.
SD


CBs 1551/1552/1553 pumps are the in, and out style, but have 3/8s fittings. I used one in a Speedster to add a filter/cooler, and it worked perfect.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
mikedjames
Samba Member


Joined: July 02, 2012
Posts: 1575
Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
mikedjames is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

esde wrote:
IF YOU DECIDE, you want an extra filter and cooler, use a 26mm CB maxi pump
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/CB-26mm-Maxi-3-Oil-Pumps-1798-1799-p/1798-1799.htm
It uses a smaller 1/4" NPT line size, but I've installed several (on already built engines like yours) and had no problems.
I've drilled and tapped finished engines for full flow, yeah even though it can be done, it's risky.
SD

I use one of these on my bus. I have no issue with oil pressure , and with a Mocal sandwich plate thermostat in the loop the oil stays under 210F with an EMPi "24 row" oil cooler in a ram air scoop underneath.

The big plus for me is the full flow filter that I can use maybe more than the added cooling.
It stopped my oil cooler loop filling up with shrapnel when I blew up my engine and drove it a quarter mile before stopping. Only had to clean out the oil pump, replace one hose and the complete long block engine....
_________________
Ancient vehicles and vessels

1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine: 16k miles to date.

1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
1973 wooden Pacer sailing dinghy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
rodeking
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2017
Posts: 357
Location: near Buffalo NY
rodeking is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:12 am    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

"CBs 1551/1552/1553 pumps are the in, "

Wow, so simple. These must be new? I wish they would have been available last year. These will save people some money and save us DIY'ers some stress, I never "enjoy" tapping a case.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
[email protected]
Samba Member


Joined: May 17, 2003
Posts: 4228
Location: Harmony, PA
gkeeton@zbzoom.net is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

The work done on the Speedster was in the Spring/Summer of 2015, so the 1551/1552/1553 pumps have been out for a while.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
rodeking
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2017
Posts: 357
Location: near Buffalo NY
rodeking is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

I wish I would have known about it, I wouldn't have bothered with tapping the case. Why would anyone bother with it with these available or am I missing something?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwracerdave
Samba Member


Joined: November 11, 2004
Posts: 14115
Location: Deep in the 405
vwracerdave is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

Many people will disagree but the in/out pumps are very restrictive. I consider them a band-aid to drilling and tapping a case correctly.
_________________
2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
Featured in Dec. 2001 HOT VW's Magazine page 63

Watch my racing video's http://www.youtube.com/user/okvwracer/videos
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Danwvw
Samba Member


Joined: July 31, 2012
Posts: 8630
Location: Oregon Coast
Danwvw is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

Well Looks like the new pumps are now 3/8" pipe thread size so no need to tap the case for a return now.
I would think 30mm is a little too big for a VW air cooled oil pump. It will have problems if run on a single port case with the small pick up tube. Got to run real light oil in them to keep them from cavitating because a 30mm will have too much capacity to suck on the small pickup tube. So a lot of people are going to cause their engines damage buying and installing these. But on a Dual port engine, larger pickup tube and with the dog house oil cooling and keep the oil weight down like 5W30 or 0W40 or so one would be ok. But VW engines don't heat the oil much and cooling is not done by cooling the oil it's done by matching the Cam to the correct Compression and insuring the Air to Fuel ratio is not leaning out too much at cruising speed. But seriously the aluminum dog house oil coolers are so much better than the non dog house steel oil coolers you really don't need oil cooling unless you have a engine that is designed wrong or runs hot or a turbo or something.
_________________
1971 Sundial Camper, Building a 74 mm Stroke by 88 mm bore with stock heads? And 1960 Beetle And 1679cc W-100 & Zeniths!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Facebook Twitter Gallery Classifieds Feedback
saw2
Samba Member


Joined: November 06, 2008
Posts: 319
Location: nw Oregon
saw2 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Remote cooler install on case not drilled for full flow? Reply with quote

CB also has the in out pumps in 26mm with 3/8 inlet-outlet size.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Performance/Engines/Transmissions All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB