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Perales
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What are the issues about running ZddPlus with a cat?
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bucko
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| Also you can get in by-the-bottle on eBay if you're not in to buying a case. |
You can also buy it by the bottle(s) on the site that was mentioned in one of the above responses (http://www.zddplus.com/ ).
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multimac
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deprivation
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Also you can get in by-the-bottle on eBay if you're not in to buying a case.
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riceye
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Yeah, Bucko... You're probably right. We may well be beating a dead horse.
I just spent 45 minutes reading the threads listed when I searched this forum with the term "ZDDP".
Looks like some oil manufacturers have chosen to include formulations with higher ZDDP concentrations. They are probably required to have a disclaimer on the bottle about "not being used in vehicles with catalytic conveters since 1993" or something similar.
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bucko
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This page shows Mobil1 15w-50 Extended Performance has 1200 ppm nominal phosphorous level, which equates to higher levels of ZDDP.
1200ppm is 0.12%, and the threshold for concern appears to be oils with less than 0.1%. Is another supplement required?
What about the STP in the red bottle?
I recall a lengthy thread about this, but have forgotten the bottom line.
I'm still trying to decide on oil for the upcoming season.
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Well, we'll most likey catch grief for bringing up an old topic (yet again), but what the heck!
TENCENTLIFE did an excellent writeup on the requirements of our older engines needed ZDDP, so I'll only mention that his suggestion was for a ZDDP of .13 or better.
So, the oil you mention is close enough I suppose.
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riceye
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This page shows Mobil1 15w-50 Extended Performance has 1200 ppm nominal phosphorous level, which equates to higher levels of ZDDP.
1200ppm is 0.12%, and the threshold for concern appears to be oils with less than 0.1%. Is another supplement required?
What about the STP in the red bottle?
I recall a lengthy thread about this, but have forgotten the bottom line.
I'm still trying to decide on oil for the upcoming season.
Thanks!
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bucko
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That's the problem Bucko, I didn't find it! I am trying to find a Canadian source. You can order it online:
http://www.zddplus.com/purchase_sixpack.htm
However getting this kind of stuff accross the border is sometimes a bit difficult and expensive. |
Yep, good site to read up on it. I ordered a couple of bottles to get me through the next two oil changes. Now I can drop buying the Valvoline Racing oil from NAPA, and changing it every 1000 miles (since this racing oil has little or no detergents).
http://www.zddplus.com/
You can read up on it (very good write up and explaination), then click on "buy bottle(s) or case", and it will take you to a vendor that sells and ships here in the states.
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Perales
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That's the problem Bucko, I didn't find it! I am trying to find a Canadian source. You can order it online:
http://www.zddplus.com/purchase_sixpack.htm
However getting this kind of stuff accross the border is sometimes a bit difficult and expensive.
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bucko
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Has anybody tried this stuff?
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Where did you find it? MSINABOTTLE and others have used a zinc additive, with good results. I have not been able to find anything like it at the local FLAPS stores I go to, but would be interested in it if I could find it. Beats paying the prices for racing oil off of the internet shopping stores.
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Perales
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Has anybody tried this stuff?
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thanks for the info
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bucko
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Perform a search on "oil". You will see that the great debate on oil has been talked about many times, and there are many opinions.
Basically, you will want to spend your hard earned mony on an oil that has a high zinc level (.12 or over).
Brad Penn Racing oil got the "thumbs up" for this. Your engine will last longer with the higher zinc (not found in todays oils you buy at your local FLAPS).
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Zippo
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: Anyone ever run Royal purple engine oil? |
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Anyone ever run "Royal Purple" engine oil in there vans?? Also any opinions about it?? Any better milage or anything like that??
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