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mynameismud Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: Quick method of rusting steel |
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Is there a quick method for rusting steel? A chemical? I have a sheet of steel (14 x 44) that I am trying to get a nice light rusted surface too- in about a 3 days time. _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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coW Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Never tried this but, knowing a little about chemistry, would suspect a mixture of peroxide, vinegar and salt will do the trick. |
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mynameismud Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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coW wrote: |
Never tried this but, knowing a little about chemistry, would suspect a mixture of peroxide, vinegar and salt will do the trick. |
i'll check it out- (dang..now I owe my wife an appology..she mentioned this last night)...
Now if i spray clear-coat on top - this should eleminate futher oxidation..right? I am looking to get it rusted - seal it, screenprint on the steel, then seal it again. _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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I think the Hoodriders would urinate on the bare metal. _________________ Glenn
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mynameismud Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
I think the Hoodriders would urinate on the bare metal. |
Yah- the wife wouldn't do that when i asked her too..(she said she was supportive..obviously NOT) _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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blarneyman Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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My wife used to be into crafting and we always just used vinegar and water. It would usually start having a nice mild patina in about a day or two. We would just spray it outside and leave it. _________________ 69 Beetle
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coW Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: |
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mynameismud wrote: |
coW wrote: |
Never tried this but, knowing a little about chemistry, would suspect a mixture of peroxide, vinegar and salt will do the trick. |
i'll check it out- (dang..now I owe my wife an appology..she mentioned this last night)...
Now if i spray clear-coat on top - this should eleminate futher oxidation..right? I am looking to get it rusted - seal it, screenprint on the steel, then seal it again. |
I'm no expert on this, but you would have to make sure to wash the salt off really well first. The peroxide is there to supply oxygen to aid the rusting process.
Once you seal it and no oxygen gets to it, rusting should stop. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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mynameismud wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
I think the Hoodriders would urinate on the bare metal. |
Yah- the wife wouldn't do that when i asked her too..(she said she was supportive..obviously NOT) |
You're right... female urine is more acidic than male urine. _________________ Glenn
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bljones Resident Wit
Joined: February 08, 2002 Posts: 2377 Location: ontario canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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remember Murphy's First Law of patina: the speed at which a piece of steel rusts is inversely proportionate to it's value, and/or the amount of effort expended to prevent oxidation.
Strip all of the paint off an 88 Ford Tempo, and you can tailgate sanders for a decade of midwestern winters without any apparent damage to that bastard, yet the freshly repaired and painted doglegs on your barndoor will turn to lace after driving past a dew-covered front lawn.
Therefore, if you want it to rust quickly, screenprint it FIRST. once that scrap of steel has value, it will begin to disintegrate in four minutes or less. then, screenprint it again. _________________ OG JHC
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vdubyah73 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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bljones wrote: |
remember Murphy's First Law of patina: the speed at which a piece of steel rusts is inversely proportionate to it's value, and/or the amount of effort expended to prevent oxidation.
Strip all of the paint off an 88 Ford Tempo, and you can tailgate sanders for a decade of midwestern winters without any apparent damage to that bastard, yet the freshly repaired and painted doglegs on your barndoor will turn to lace after driving past a dew-covered front lawn.
Therefore, if you want it to rust quickly, screenprint it FIRST. once that scrap of steel has value, it will begin to disintegrate in four minutes or less. then, screenprint it again. |
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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wash it with some muriatic acid (the stuff you use for swimming pools). _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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mynameismud Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2002 Posts: 5928 Location: Middle of a corn field
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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coW wrote: |
mynameismud wrote: |
coW wrote: |
Never tried this but, knowing a little about chemistry, would suspect a mixture of peroxide, vinegar and salt will do the trick. |
i'll check it out- (dang..now I owe my wife an appology..she mentioned this last night)...
Now if i spray clear-coat on top - this should eleminate futher oxidation..right? I am looking to get it rusted - seal it, screenprint on the steel, then seal it again. |
I'm no expert on this, but you would have to make sure to wash the salt off really well first. The peroxide is there to supply oxygen to aid the rusting process.
Once you seal it and no oxygen gets to it, rusting should stop. |
thanks- i'll check into this _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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mynameismud Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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bljones wrote: |
remember Murphy's First Law of patina: the speed at which a piece of steel rusts is inversely proportionate to it's value, and/or the amount of effort expended to prevent oxidation.
Strip all of the paint off an 88 Ford Tempo, and you can tailgate sanders for a decade of midwestern winters without any apparent damage to that bastard, yet the freshly repaired and painted doglegs on your barndoor will turn to lace after driving past a dew-covered front lawn.
Therefore, if you want it to rust quickly, screenprint it FIRST. once that scrap of steel has value, it will begin to disintegrate in four minutes or less. then, screenprint it again. |
good point...plus - the this will aid with the increase in value..(and where the heck have you been?) _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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chickengeorge Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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I just built a slate fireplace floor to ceiling. I used 3/4" angle iron as trim around the fireplace opening. I was going to paint it bronze or something, but since the slate I used had a bunch of marbled rust in it, I thought I'd just let it rust. I threw it out in the snow -it took about 3 weeks, but it's got a nice, even coat of rust on it. |
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mynameismud Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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i've had the steel in the snow since tuesday - i just need it quicker then a few weeks. I will be trying the peroxide,salt,vinegar method tonight- _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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DaveM Mad Samba Scientist
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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make sure your piece of metal is meticulously cleaned and bare to get an even patina. I'd sand it first followed by a vinegar wash to make it thoroughly clean. Then wiz a way! _________________ Sounding like a broken record as to why You should be measuring protein during harvest in order to better your agronomic practices. |
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turboblue Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't Coke/Pepsi rust metal Paul? _________________ Gary
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mynameismud Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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hmmmm good ? Gary- I don't drink either..but will need to give it a try. _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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Lee. Samba Animal Controller
Joined: December 22, 2003 Posts: 3079 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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I use hydrogen peroxide and table salt then mix it into a slush. I use it to age tin and thin metal. It starts rusting/aging in about 5 minutes. I usually let it set in the mix for an hour or so. The pic is crappy, this was clean tin to begin with.
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mynameismud Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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thats the ticket...thanks _________________ Even YOU can prevent FIRES!
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