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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this thread while searching so I figured I'd just post here instead of making a new thread. A friend of a friend got this at an estate auction and offered it to me for $35.00. I haven't seen it in person yet but thought I'd ask the experts if it were anything special or how to tell if it's a reproduction. It's silver metal with black enamel, Reads.. Volksgenwerkes -- Mai 1938

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I found this thread while searching so I figured I'd just post here instead of making a new thread. A friend of a friend got this at an estate auction and offered it to me for $35.00. I haven't seen it in person yet but thought I'd ask the experts if it were anything special or how to tell if it's a reproduction. It's silver metal with black enamel, Reads.. Volksgenwerkes -- Mai 1938

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Save your money. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:31 pm    Post subject: good job Bobby boy Reply with quote

once a teacher..always a teacher! Nice to see you are still 'trying' to edjamkate the masses! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:48 pm    Post subject: der erste brezelkäfer Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

Merry X-mas to you all!

Got today the book "der erste brezelkäfer" and i noticed on page 108 a KDF pin, that i always thought it was a repro.

Question is, is it a real one, or another reproduction, never existed??

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a fantasy piece Frank.......... But let's say that it DID exist. Could this be a "real" one?

No, and here's why:

RzM marks were used on "military" produced items. Sometimes they did use both the RzM mark and the name of the production firm, but in this case, and at this time, the firm's name for that code was R Sieper & Sohne. Makers of fake, post war, military items sometimes changed the names slightly if the company was still in business, in order to avoid any legal action. It maybe that the pin was melted into the firm's name and obscuring the "R", but that would have been a design flaw tp the badge and not accepted by the company, or the RzM. Pins were always crimped into the bakelite................. not melted. Another "red flag" is the pin itself. Most pins of this era, and even through the 60's, will show some age due to the quality of the metal and the inferior plating used 60+ years ago. This pin looks new and is also set off center. The RzM was a quality control effort by the Nazi government. I would not expect that this kind of "workmanship" would have been sanctioned or been passed by a RzM inspector, especially in 1938. Because something is a book, does not make the scholarship in the book correct. There are many books written up through 1980's that have photos of known fakes, especially in the area of Nazi memorabilia, and even current books still use these old photographs. Personally, I would not spend any money on this bad boy. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:44 am    Post subject: pin Reply with quote

Bob, Thanks for the response!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

folks, here is what i managed to get some time ago. not a bage nor a pin but thpught it may fit to thies thread:

an original post stamp

http://www.auto-nostalgia.pl/?p=5269

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been three other identical stamps for sale in the last few months.
I came really close to buying one until I found out about the others.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this in a collection of buttons my wife had. Surely unrelated to VW Ghias but cool nonetheless.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of my recent "stash" buy , I have my doubts that it Is authentic.

Experts, What do you think ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Part of my recent "stash" buy , I have my doubts that it Is authentic.

Experts, What do you think ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Oval53, I have a couple other that pins that I've picked up over the years that I am already aware are fakes and or "Never Was"

When I get a chance I'll post photos just so there will be some sort of reference as most of the photos in this and related threads are no longer viewable.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As promised, Here is what not to look for
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Fantasy pieces , These did not exist during the KDF era

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Fantasy piece "never was"
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53 0val wrote:

Ges Gesch means Patent Pending. It was put on all Third Reich material that was meant for sale. The cornorstone pin was never meant to be sold. It was a gift to the invited people who were asked to attend the ceremony.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you would like additional information on the original Cornerstone Ceremony badge produced by B.H. MAYER of Pforzheim,
Germany, check out this link:

http://www.vintagevolkswagenmodels.com/split-window-toys-sw/itemlist/category/144-mayer

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow.... excellent source of information, Thanks for sharing !!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new one (?)

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OG one from 1951 : was published for inauguration of the Church of Wolfsburg, where Volkswagen contributed to its construction .... dated August 12, 1951
It shows: St Christopher (travelers'saint), the church "Christuskirche" the VW plant in Wolfsburg and obviously the Volkswagen Beetle ....

Fred


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is what an original would look like.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I saw those pins at eBay few time ago. First I wanted to bid, but then I saw nearly the same pins in a militaria onlineshop for some Euros only:

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Did I miss the chance to bid on the very rare original ones ?
Or did somebody some artifical age on some new repop badges to make them look old ?

What do you think ?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RalphMH wrote:
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I saw those pins at eBay few time ago. First I wanted to bid, but then I saw nearly the same pins in a militaria onlineshop for some Euros only:

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Did I miss the chance to bid on the very rare original ones ?
Or did somebody some artifical age on some new repop badges to make them look old ?

What do you think ?


IMO.......You saved yourself some money. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Official Badge / Pin thread - Real or Reproduction? Reply with quote

I kinda wish I hadn't found this thread. I've had these packed away in a box for probably 15 years but now I'm pretty sure they repops. Let guess. Fake and fake.

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