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mailman Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2005 Posts: 1663
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: Ignition switch "ACC" substitute? |
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It would be nice to have an "Accessory" position on my '64s ignition switch, but, as we already know, they didn't come that way. I've seen aftermarket switches that offer the "ACC" position and fit the Beetle dash, but then you lose the OG keys.
Here's my thought....let me know if you think it would work. Couldn't I install a simple toggle switch to interrupt the current sent to the coil and accomplish the same thing? Key to "on", toggle switch to "off"....everything else should work except the engine's ignition system, right?
Just wishing I could listen to tunes or use the dome light (or whatever) without risking burning up points and/or coils...... _________________ '64 Bahama Blue Beetle / steel sunroof
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calebmelvin Samba Member
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Bravo 1 Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2005 Posts: 407 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Ignition switch "ACC" substitute? |
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mailman wrote: |
Just wishing I could listen to tunes or use the dome light (or whatever) without risking burning up points and/or coils...... |
I don't know about the shape of your wiring, but my domelight will work with the ignition in the off position as well. _________________ 1964 Type 1 Sedan |
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dome light should work without the key. And we used to wire the radios to work without the key. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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Maimas13 Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2004 Posts: 642 Location: Redwood City CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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what I have done in mine is wire a relay so that I can listen to the radio and use select accesories with the key off... but only once the key has been turned on then off, and the door has not been opened. Basically I made it so i can still listen to the radio once I have pulled to a stop, however once I open the door it shuts off. This was a reletively simple relay and could easily be built and installed under an hour. you can just wire in whatever accesories you want to be able to use in your ACC position
http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp#drto |
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Original Customs Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 61 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I was going to suggest, Maimas13. You can just use a latching relay and make the door contacts pull it into the off position...
Of course, your door switches better be in good working order, or you might come back to a dead battery. _________________ Mark De Bernardi
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I dont see the necessity for a bypass switch. As already stated, radios were direct-wired to the fuse block. Thus, no need for "ACC" position on ignition switch. They also had an inline fuse for protection. Why not just wire the radio directly to the fuse block like the dealers did? Also, I dont understand how/why you have to have the key on in order for the interior light to operate. That, too, is (or should be) directly wired to the un-switched fuse block... _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Even in my "modern" cars where you can play the radio, operate the power windows, sunroof, etc. with the key off prior to opening the door, I still switch everything off before I exit. Invariably, you dont realize how loudly you were playing that last song just as you got out. Then, get back in, switch on the key and bam! Spontaneous myocardial infarction from the shock of the blast of loud music !
_________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
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bill may Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: |
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i guess it is too easy to look at wiring diagrams up at top in technical info.. they show where to put power wire for radio, without people "doing their thing" there would be no Previous Owners to gripe about and hacking of wiring. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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The_Codeman Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2007 Posts: 176 Location: Huntington Beach CA
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Maby try this one
http://www.watsons-streetworks.com/vw.html
from the site
"If you're rewiring your VW and adding accessory circuits you need a new ignition switch that has that feature. Oh, yes. And it would be nice if it fit into the original dash hole...AND if it would clear the ash tray brackets. HEY! Guess what. This is it. This is a four position switch (Accessory, Off, On, Start) with a 3/4" shank, two keys and includes ring terminals for the outputs"
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mailman Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2005 Posts: 1663
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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codeman,
I saw that switch, and mentioned it in my original post, but I don't want to give up my OG keys.
About my dome light.....it was just a bad example that I pulled off the top of my head. Mine is wired as the factory intended.
About the relay.....it sounds like a good idea, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of needing to keep the doors shut to have things work. I'll have to study that one some.....
About PO's.....if you've ever sold a VW, you're a PO, right? Some are better than others. The changes I make to my car will be done right, wiring or otherwise. That's why I'm on the Samba asking for input. I'm not such a purist as to think that it has to be VW's way to be good....I think some changes can be improvements over what the factory offered. I don't intend to ever sell this car, but, if I do, I'm betting the next owner will appreciate this PO.... _________________ '64 Bahama Blue Beetle / steel sunroof
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mailman Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Maimas13,
I've looked at this relay system you suggested, and it seems like the way my wife's minivan radio is set up. The difference is, hers also has an "ACC" position on the switch. My first concern was the need to keep the door shut to power the radio. I guess I could get out, reach back in through an open window, and operate the key "on" then "off".....
With her minivan, the radio stays on after the key is off until you open a door, but you have the option of having the engine off, radio on and being able to open and close the doors.
The scenario I'm picturing is an afternoon at the park, or a day at a car show, or waxing or vacuuming the car...you know what I mean. I wouldn't necessarily be wanting to sit in the car to listen to the tunes.
I definitely don't want the stereo hooked up to unswitched 12 volts. I can see how it could be easy to inadvertantly drain the battery that way.
After all....isn't the "ACC" function of an ignition switch just a way to isolate current away from the engine ignition circuit, while allowing current to everything else?? Now I'm back to where I started...
Still open to this and any other suggestions.....just trying to have my cake and eat it, too _________________ '64 Bahama Blue Beetle / steel sunroof
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Maimas13 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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yah so when you want to listen to it just open the windows/ragtop get out, close the door and then quickly turn the key on then off from outside. this is what i do and if your radio has a remote you can use your car as a giant boombox.
just dont leave it alon cuz the battery will die. that is if it isnt stolen after leavining everything wide open |
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The_Codeman Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2007 Posts: 176 Location: Huntington Beach CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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ok spent some time thinking about this , and this is what i came up with so you can keep the stock key and all ..
just unhook #15 from the ignition switch and add this relay and diode ..
what it does is when you turn the key on it will only power accessory's like the radio ect, and when you turn the key to start it will latch the relay and give power to #15 till you turn the key off ..
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bill may Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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remove the stock switch and put 10 toggle swiches. that way you can label them start,stop,radio,dome light,brake lights (turn off when being pursued by cops,so you can hide) , and so forth. any not in use just hang some bare wire so they can spark on bumps for a light show for pedestrians. maybe a battery isolator so you can have a spare battery just to power your radio while watching the submarine races. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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The_Codeman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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bill may wrote: |
remove the stock switch and put 10 toggle swiches. that way you can label them start,stop,radio,dome light,brake lights (turn off when being pursued by cops,so you can hide) , and so forth. any not in use just hang some bare wire so they can spark on bumps for a light show for pedestrians. maybe a battery isolator so you can have a spare battery just to power your radio while watching the submarine races. |
Im no stranger to sarcasm bill
but i also never understood why people have to make dumb remarks on post, because if you read the original post you would have seen that he wanted to keep the OG key ..
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mailman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Codeman....Thanks!! I'll have to study that for a while and see if I can figure it out. If I have more trouble with it, I'll shoot you a pm so we don't upset Bill any further. _________________ '64 Bahama Blue Beetle / steel sunroof
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bill may Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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not upset at all. just go to wiring diagrams and find a spot on the fuse box that is always hot. that would be "accessory" slot in addition to dome light and anything else that can be/is on when key is in off position. if you need to have acc. on the fuse just use a magic marker. how many times do you think i have answered this same question in 43 years of driving air cooled. why put in/install an aftermarket switch just to have it say acc ??????? _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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