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wythac Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Steering column angle |
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Using a stock older Type 1 steering column on my buggy. Have a 3" lift on the body, and a brand new beam, and need to know if anyone has information on the optimal angle for the steering box/steering column assembly.
I know that all I need to do to get the hole thru the firewall in the right place is to move it 3" down from the center of the original hole, but it would be nice to work outwards from the steering box, making sure that is at the right angle for the proper operation of the steering assembly, fix that angle, then put the steering column thru.
I posted something similar to this thread on the Off-Road column some time ago with mixed results...got some other useful info, but nothing on fixing the proper steering box angle. Couldn't even find it in the Bentley, but I would imagine that in a stock application, the angle would actually be set by where the steering column came thru the beetle firewall, so setting an angle first would be unnecessary.
So what I am looking for is the value of the angle between the longitudinal axis of the body and the axis of the steering column. Anybody with a protractor, a buggy, and a few minutes? |
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dan macmillan Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2003 Posts: 3110 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Steering column angle |
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wythac wrote: |
Using a stock older Type 1 steering column on my buggy. Have a 3" lift on the body, and a brand new beam, and need to know if anyone has information on the optimal angle for the steering box/steering column assembly.
I know that all I need to do to get the hole thru the firewall in the right place is to move it 3" down from the center of the original hole, but it would be nice to work outwards from the steering box, making sure that is at the right angle for the proper operation of the steering assembly, fix that angle, then put the steering column thru.
I posted something similar to this thread on the Off-Road column some time ago with mixed results...got some other useful info, but nothing on fixing the proper steering box angle. Couldn't even find it in the Bentley, but I would imagine that in a stock application, the angle would actually be set by where the steering column came thru the beetle firewall, so setting an angle first would be unnecessary.
So what I am looking for is the value of the angle between the longitudinal axis of the body and the axis of the steering column. Anybody with a protractor, a buggy, and a few minutes? |
Look at the angle that your steering box input shaft is at. The original column is for the most part at this angle as there is very little deflection in the coupler. With a 3 inch body lift it will end up with the column either way out of position or very low on the dash. Your best option is to set the column centered to the drivers seat and in a position that feels comfortable to you for driving. Then add a jointed lower column extension to link the column to the box. I have done this using the lower column from a 199x crown vic. Any modern steering column has the part you need. You will have to do a bit of fabricating. The offset will be an added safety feature as in a front end collision the forces will be deflected instead of sent strait up the column _________________ Licensed Automotive Service Technician
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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I believe the beam has a tab that the lower mounting bracket rests in. Thats the factory location (one for a Ghia and one for a type 1 I believe).
I have used Borgeson joints to keep the box at the factory angle.
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Joined: February 18, 2006 Posts: 1845 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I used Kia u-joints I picked up at the Lansing show a few years back. They fit great.
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wythac Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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No tab on a warrior beam. I plan to weld one on to keep the box from rotating under stress once I have the angle established, but I have yet to find out definitively what that angle is.
I have eliminated the original hole in the firewall and the dash, so with a 3" lift the whole steering column will be lower relative to the body but essentially in the same place and at the same angle in relation to the beam...no U-joint needed. It will be supported on the front by the firewall and near the steering wheel by a crossbar on my windshield rollbar. I suppose I can measure the angle between the old hole for the column in the firewall and the old hole in the lower part of the dash and extrapolate the angle from that....I was just looking for something more precise. |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Sit in your seat, minus the body, find a comfortable angle with the steering wheel in hand and measure ...
My column was way down from stock...but I had to be cool when I was driving you know....for the ladies
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wythac Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Murzi. No bump steer issues with a non standard angle? I guess what I am most concerned with is really the pitman arm angle, and the affect of the geometry of the tie rods, etc. I have a warrior beam with more of a lifted stance.
Despite having owned and worked on air cooled VW's for over 30 years, I have to admit to a blind spot in working on front beams. Testament to the original design, I suppose....never had one I really had to work on much, outside of hubs, steering dampners and tie rod ends . The one on my buggy also happens to be a departure from the stock layout, which doesn't help. |
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