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pete000 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Serial number Seq. and Model Change over for the 1967 Bus ? |
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I was wondering what production numbers sequence VW used on a new model change over for 1967.
Example; build date of 01/08/1966. I believe I read where the new model year production begun on Aug 1st on the prior year. So this would mean this bus was made on the first day of the new production cycle for the 1967 model year, correct?
Now say if the vin is number 002757 is there any way to tell what number this bus was built that day?
Is that the total number of busses built up to this one in 1966 (2757)?
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Karl Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Production did not begin on August 1.
I had a 67 that was built on July 5 1966
And this one 237002260 was built on July 08 1966. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Does it seem strange to you that:
002757 is built on August 1, 1966
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002260 is built on July 8, 1966
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The M-code plate date is the start date so I agree they had to start earlier to roll out a '67 by August 1 or whenever the official model year start date was for 1967. To clarify, I'm using August 1st as a universal start date for the model year. Some years were slightly different.
For reference, the VW dealer book "Progressive Refinements" lists August 1, 1966 as the start date for the 1967 Bus models. _________________ How to Post Photos
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albertramsbottom Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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EverettB wrote: |
Does it seem strange to you that:
002757 is built on August 1, 1966
and
002260 is built on July 8, 1966
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The M-code plate date is the start date so I agree they had to start earlier to roll out a '67 by August 1 or whenever the official model year start date was for 1967. To clarify, I'm using August 1st as a universal start date for the model year. Some years were slightly different.
For reference, the VW dealer book "Progressive Refinements" lists August 1, 1966 as the start date for the 1967 Bus models. |
Agreed August 1st was the start date for 1967 buses
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bill may Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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EverettB wrote: |
Does it seem strange to you that:
002757 is built on August 1, 1966
and
002260 is built on July 8, 1966
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The M-code plate date is the start date so I agree they had to start earlier to roll out a '67 by August 1 or whenever the official model year start date was for 1967. To clarify, I'm using August 1st as a universal start date for the model year. Some years were slightly different.
For reference, the VW dealer book "Progressive Refinements" lists August 1, 1966 as the start date for the 1967 Bus models. |
so what model year was my identification number 247002215 1967 deluxe built in july ???? it had 66 style dash,single circuit brakes..... if i can find my M-code info i can post when in july 1966 it was built. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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VWAdam Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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bill may wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
Does it seem strange to you that:
002757 is built on August 1, 1966
and
002260 is built on July 8, 1966
?
The M-code plate date is the start date so I agree they had to start earlier to roll out a '67 by August 1 or whenever the official model year start date was for 1967. To clarify, I'm using August 1st as a universal start date for the model year. Some years were slightly different.
For reference, the VW dealer book "Progressive Refinements" lists August 1, 1966 as the start date for the 1967 Bus models. |
so what model year was my identification number 247002215 1967 deluxe built in july ???? it had 66 style dash,single circuit brakes..... if i can find my M-code info i can post when in july 1966 it was built. |
I'm pretty sure we've had a similar discussion about this before. I think someone said that Mcode date wasn't necessarily the build date.
My 13 window has a July 5, 1966 date and I have single circut brakes, '66-earlier fuel tank and the early dash. Mine is 247000426, so 426th '67 built. I've yet to find an earlier '67. _________________ All he needed was a wheel in his hand and four on the road.
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///Mink Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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VWAdam wrote: |
I'm pretty sure we've had a similar discussion about this before. I think someone said that Mcode date wasn't necessarily the build date.
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You're right, we have. The generally held consensus in those discussions was that the the first few M-plates for 1967 production were actually stamped at the beginning of July so that when '67 production began on August 1, there would be a ready supply of them. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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From above:
EverettB wrote: |
The M-code plate date is the start date |
Here's an example from my ex-'60 23-Window.
M-code plate date:
December 16, 1959
VW letter says:
Built on: December 21, 1959
Left factory on: December 31, 1959
So either they had some plates laying before they started or it takes longer to make a 23-Window or some other reason... _________________ How to Post Photos
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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VWAdam wrote: |
bill may wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
Does it seem strange to you that:
002757 is built on August 1, 1966
and
002260 is built on July 8, 1966
?
The M-code plate date is the start date so I agree they had to start earlier to roll out a '67 by August 1 or whenever the official model year start date was for 1967. To clarify, I'm using August 1st as a universal start date for the model year. Some years were slightly different.
For reference, the VW dealer book "Progressive Refinements" lists August 1, 1966 as the start date for the 1967 Bus models. |
so what model year was my identification number 247002215 1967 deluxe built in july ???? it had 66 style dash,single circuit brakes..... if i can find my M-code info i can post when in july 1966 it was built. |
I'm pretty sure we've had a similar discussion about this before. I think someone said that Mcode date wasn't necessarily the build date.
My 13 window has a July 5, 1966 date and I have single circut brakes, '66-earlier fuel tank and the early dash. Mine is 247000426, so 426th '67 built. I've yet to find an earlier '67. |
Dual circuit brakes were not a model year change.
According to PR, the dash is a model year change. However, I have seen some places where the date/VIN of changes is inconsistant (slightly) . I've heard that a few people have seen very early 67s with the smaller radio hole, but the only one I've seen had been nose clipped. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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pete000 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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I am a bit confused.
If the model change over is July or August which it is stamped. How could them make 2757+ busses in less than a month?
What was the total production number for 1967 ? _________________ 1990 Vanagon RS 2.1
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derv Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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pete000 wrote: |
What was the total production number for 1967 ? |
Type 2 Production Figures
Split-screen | Bay-window
Split-screen (1949 - 67) - Totals may include other special models built and production at non-German plants
Year Panelvan Kombi Microbus Samba Pickup Ambulance Total
Production Production
For Export U.S.
Sales U.S.
Registrations
1949 6 1 1 - - - 8 - - -
1950 5662 1254 1142 - 1 - 8059 1571 2 -
1951 6049 2843 2805 269 1 36 12003 3557 50 -
1952 9353 5031 4052 1142 1606 481 21665 8055 93 10
1953 11190 5753 4086 1289 5741 358 28417 13308 75 33
1954 14550 8868 5693 1937 8562 589 40199 22207 827 271
1955 17577 11346 7957 2195 10138 694 49907 30338 3189 2021
1956 22657 16010 9726 2072 11449 586 62500 37532 6666 5233
1957 30683 23495 17197 3514 16450 644 91993 60443 18366 14721
1958 36672 21732 19499 4342 19142 486 101873 66941 24478 25268
1959 41395 25699 22943 6241 24465 710 121453 80004 32423 30159
1960 47498 30425 22504 7846 30988 658 139919 92226 34878 31377
1961 45121 25950 25410 8095 36822 883 168600 94933 23300 26555
1962 47237 28506 29898 11280 38118 728 180337 102533 32141 30170
1963 47891 40882 31196 14764 39458 675 189294 112201 38238 36865
1964 48481 44659 40115 14031 39832 829 200325 - 37239 36090
1965 43723 44331 37993 12467 37444 864 189876 - 37796 4614*
1966 43084 46284 30767 18790 36534 816 191373 - 35439 3627*
1967 - - - - - - 162741 - 34247 3294* _________________ Jack
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///Mink Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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pete000 wrote: |
I am a bit confused.
If the model change over is July or August which it is stamped. How could them make 2757+ busses in less than a month?
What was the total production number for 1967 ? |
162,741 which works out to 14,795 per month assuming an 11-month production cycle for a model year. |
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What about Christmas break and summer vacations? Didn't they take like three weeks in the summer? That would account for the July-August gap. _________________
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///Mink Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Some "interesting" info I culled some time ago from the VB registry:
237003067 has an M-plate date of 08 7 (Friday, July 8, 1966)
267003222 has an M-plate date of 01 8 (Monday, August 1, 1966)
So these two buses are only 155 serial numbers apart, but have dates over 3 weeks apart. I think this lends further credence to the theory that the first production M-plates for the 1967 model year were stamped in early July for production beginning August 1.
FWIW, the earliest 1967 in the registry is 247000426 with a date of July 5. |
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carolinabusguy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: more 67 info |
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soon to be mine, 67 westy has 23 aug 66
but my vin is 7015618, so 15,618 in just 23 days! that is some serious over time ! |
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BarryL Samba Member
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Fwiw, my '67 Kombi built in September is number 7043576 with original engine #01992455 which might support your asterisk, Everett. |
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pete000 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. _________________ 1990 Vanagon RS 2.1
1967 Deluxe 21 window
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pete000 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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BarryL wrote: |
Fwiw, my '67 Kombi built in September is number 7043576 with original engine #01992455 which might support your asterisk, Everett. |
This Kombi is number 0743576 and this one is 7002740
does this mean they made 40836 trucks in roughly 1 month ?????
Was this bus marked 002740 built on 8/1 which was a Monday make it the 2740th truck off the line that day ?
Boy did they crank these things out ! _________________ 1990 Vanagon RS 2.1
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18 X 7.5 and 18 X 8 OEM Porsche Wheels
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VWAdam Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Clara wrote: |
VWAdam wrote: |
bill may wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
Does it seem strange to you that:
002757 is built on August 1, 1966
and
002260 is built on July 8, 1966
?
The M-code plate date is the start date so I agree they had to start earlier to roll out a '67 by August 1 or whenever the official model year start date was for 1967. To clarify, I'm using August 1st as a universal start date for the model year. Some years were slightly different.
For reference, the VW dealer book "Progressive Refinements" lists August 1, 1966 as the start date for the 1967 Bus models. |
so what model year was my identification number 247002215 1967 deluxe built in july ???? it had 66 style dash,single circuit brakes..... if i can find my M-code info i can post when in july 1966 it was built. |
I'm pretty sure we've had a similar discussion about this before. I think someone said that Mcode date wasn't necessarily the build date.
My 13 window has a July 5, 1966 date and I have single circut brakes, '66-earlier fuel tank and the early dash. Mine is 247000426, so 426th '67 built. I've yet to find an earlier '67. |
Dual circuit brakes were not a model year change.
According to PR, the dash is a model year change. However, I have seen some places where the date/VIN of changes is inconsistant (slightly) . I've heard that a few people have seen very early 67s with the smaller radio hole, but the only one I've seen had been nose clipped. |
My Bus has not been clipped and like I said, it's #426, so it's really early. It has the black knobs and the original 12 volt sticker on the dash but the earlier radio hole. Maybe they started stamping the new dashes on Aug.1 but just used up the remaining ones they had first. VW seemed to do that often.
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FWIW, the earliest 1967 in the registry is 247000426 with a date of July 5. |
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