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iron giant Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2014 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Just built a 1.8 for my bus which will be fitted to an 003 auto. I'd like to test it outside of the bus and figure it will be easier to find a manual bellhousing (002), flywheel and gland nut to build a test stand than an 003 to cut up. Does anyone have any stands built for and auto or do most of you test it with manual trans parts?
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turboblue Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2003 Posts: 4216 Location: Central Indiana
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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kawfee wrote: |
Let me correct that for you unless you can think of another reason for the flash fires.
Glenn wrote: |
Pretty sure the tranny case is aluminum and magnesium. |
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They are magnesium...my brother had a flash fire grinding out a 6v bellhousing for a 12v flywheel.... _________________ Gary
Turbo VW Sand Drag Buggy
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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I needed something that can simply Lift a engine onto a Dyno, but also be a engine stand, and handy to be able to lift the engine up to normal stand height. Of course simply loosening the t-handle enables removing the engine mount and then it can be used as a lift to lift a engine up to a Dyno or whatever.
Started out with Harbor Freight "ATV Stand" which was on sale for $80
And started out with Cheap Empi Bench stand that cost $40
The Empi Mount is scary light duty, so I welded in some bracing, and reinforced their welds:
I modified the ATV stand by Boxing in a area and welded in the Empi mount upside down(so that t-handle wont interfere when using flat area as engine lift to dyno)
I then cut the wheels off the back(pointless) and added wheels to the bottom so its able to roll and raises it up just enough to now reach standard stand height. Then I added 7 inches to the front length and 7 inches to the front width so that its stable with the engine on the front. (As before the engine could tilt forward pretty easy)
And shown in the upright stand position:
Just a idea for others, as $120 for a stand that lifts and a few hours of work I think is do-able for many. _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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pyrOman Fire Master
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 12409 Location: Over 2002 posts deleted!
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Old school!
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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jpaull wrote: |
I needed something that can simply Lift a engine onto a Dyno, but also be a engine stand, and handy to be able to lift the engine up to normal stand height. Of course simply loosening the t-handle enables removing the engine mount and then it can be used as a lift to lift a engine up to a Dyno or whatever.
Started out with Harbor Freight "ATV Stand" which was on sale for $80
And started out with Cheap Empi Bench stand that cost $40
The Empi Mount is scary light duty, so I welded in some bracing, and reinforced their welds:
I modified the ATV stand by Boxing in a area and welded in the Empi mount upside down(so that t-handle wont interfere when using flat area as engine lift to dyno)
I then cut the wheels off the back(pointless) and added wheels to the bottom so its able to roll and raises it up just enough to now reach standard stand height. Then I added 7 inches to the front length and 7 inches to the front width so that its stable with the engine on the front. (As before the engine could tilt forward pretty easy)
And shown in the upright stand position:
Just a idea for others, as $120 for a stand that lifts and a few hours of work I think is do-able for many. |
But did you have it finished to match the living room decor?
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Esde, yes the ATV Jack comes in grey, definately doesnt match anything so I painted it satin black "bed liner".
Pyroman: Thats a heavy duty Run stand in your picture, that should do the job well. I like that old school Distributor in that engine! _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth.
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Casting Timmy Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2012 Posts: 1221 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Really like the ATV thing, but is it nose heavy? Wondering how stable that is with the weight out in front of everything. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Casting Timmy wrote: |
Really like the ATV thing, but is it nose heavy? Wondering how stable that is with the weight out in front of everything. |
Before it was not really safe. I had to add 7 inches to the front to take care of that. The nice thing about having alittle steel and a welder, you can make it suit your style quickly. _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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jpaull wrote: |
Started out with Harbor Freight "ATV Stand" which was on sale for $80
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I have that HF lawn tractor jack too, works GREAT for my lawn tractor. A real value.
For the few times I need it, I just mount my old mid-1970s VW engine stand to my workbench. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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volkaholic1 Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2004 Posts: 796 Location: ohio
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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i had posted this, but then moved it here,,, thanks , you guys got some great ideas
I am tied of my old 3 legged engine stand, i almost had an engine fall over once = NOT COOL, so I just got the EMPI heavy duty engine stand, and I really like it, 4 legs, much more stable. I have made some changes, I added a bigger lock down bolt with a 3/" handle welded on top, I also drilled holes in the engine mount so it can be locked in either the sideways or upright position, as I almost never use anything else, also I am going to mount a old cookie sheet with lip on the back to hold stuff, it will be strong enough base to hold a crank or heads, so, what other modifications have you made to improve your engine stand? show us! thanks
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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spectre6000 wrote: |
Alright Earthquake! Eat your heart out!
Phase 1 complete. The photos were taken while it was still bitchin' hot from welding. I'm not done, there are some additions still in the engineering phase, but here we are thus far:
The goal, an atelier for VW/Porsche engine building. Must also fold up to fit in my garage with everything else. Must also have a lift so that I don't have to pick up 200+ pound fully loaded engines and don't need to buy beer or upset my wife every time I do AND must work with a standard issue floor jack (no center leg).
Standard formation in use, lift down:
Also has all locking swivel casters so I can move it wherever I need it and not have to chase it down once I get it there. Mount is a VW Alley stand Porsche style. |
You've got 40-some-odd pics in your gallery, but none of 'em are of this engine stand. What gives? |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6617 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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The harbor freight ones work wonderfully. I bough the 1000lb one along with a yoke. I even started mine on the stand. It shook a little but I never had any problems. Just tie your hands behind your back so that you don't try to grab it when/if it falls. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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VintageWorldTools Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Rogue River, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand VW Alley on vacation |
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We are on vacation until 10/27 (Iceland!) So no orders will be shipped until after we get back. We will stay in contact if anyone has questions about shipping charges or just general questions about our products. Thanks, Kevin & Christine @ VW Alley/ Vintage World Tools. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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volkaholic1 wrote: |
i had posted this, but then moved it here,,, thanks , you guys got some great ideas
I am tied of my old 3 legged engine stand, i almost had an engine fall over once = NOT COOL, so I just got the EMPI heavy duty engine stand, and I really like it, 4 legs, much more stable. I have made some changes, I added a bigger lock down bolt with a 3/" handle welded on top, I also drilled holes in the engine mount so it can be locked in either the sideways or upright position, as I almost never use anything else, also I am going to mount a old cookie sheet with lip on the back to hold stuff, it will be strong enough base to hold a crank or heads, so, what other modifications have you made to improve your engine stand? show us! thanks
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I put a receiver (1 inch square id) on upright so a tray like in your pic can be used, I also made "start" panel that replaces parts pan when it comes time to start engine...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
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ratherb-buggin Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2005 Posts: 986 Location: Shawnee, KS
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Here's my Matra 313 Engine Stand on a custom base. I also have the swing axle arms and had a friend make a custom beam holder. I use all three quite often.
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volkaholic1 Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2004 Posts: 796 Location: ohio
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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i dig that front beam mount, very nice, great job man _________________ Volkaholic |
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ratherb-buggin Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2005 Posts: 986 Location: Shawnee, KS
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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volkaholic1 wrote: |
i dig that front beam mount, very nice, great job man |
Thank you! The friend who I commissioned to make the beam mount and engine stand base did an amazing job! The beam mount used the old v8 engine stand time head, then he made adjustable arms to hold the beam. |
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Dark Earth Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2015 Posts: 1054
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Here's the setup I pieced together for my build.
I bought a 500 lb. capacity hydraulic table cart from Harbor Freight ...
... a 1250 lb. engine stand from Summit Racing ...
... and a four arm engine stand yoke from here on TheSamba.
They fit together nicely and allow the engine to be removed and mounted to the stand easily.
I drilled holes in the engine stand yoke 90º apart so I can rotate the engine on the stand and lock it into position with a pin.
Although there was a bit of expense involved, It’s all worth it to me. The engine came out smoothly and safely, the exchange to the engine stand went just as planned, and it's now stored safely out of the way.
_________________ My Build: '69 Baja - Dark Earth Version
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Dark Earth wrote: |
Here's the setup I pieced together for my build.
I bought a 500 lb. capacity hydraulic table cart from Harbor Freight ...
... a 1250 lb. engine stand from Summit Racing ...
... and a four arm engine stand yoke from here on TheSamba.
They fit together nicely and allow the engine to be removed and mounted to the stand easily.
I drilled holes in the engine stand yoke 90º apart so I can rotate the engine on the stand and lock it into position with a pin.
Although there was a bit of expense involved, It’s all worth it to me. The engine came out smoothly and safely, the exchange to the engine stand went just as planned, and it's now stored safely out of the way.
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Awesome combination of parts/assembly, don't know why
people struggle with cheapo stand that you can not get some sort of lift into to get engine up to working height...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
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All suggestions and advice are purely my own opinion. You are free to ignore them if you wish ...
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Dark Earth Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2015 Posts: 1054
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Engine Stand |
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Dale M. wrote: |
Awesome combination or parts/assembly, don't know why
people struggle with cheapo stand that you can not get some sort of lift into to get engine up to working height...
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I think it's because people don't even think about it beforehand. Luckily, I stumbled across this thread before I bought anything. Your stand actually made me realize I needed an open center stand to get a lift in there. _________________ My Build: '69 Baja - Dark Earth Version
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