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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How hard is it to find the factory extended mirrors?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I think the bays have less blind spots than a lot of modern cars. The Fairlane I drive is loaded with them. It is very common to see them with front quarter panel damage. The A pillars are thick enough and just the right position and angle to totally block out a car travelling at the same speed on an intersecting road. It's also pretty hard to see near the C and D pillars.

In my bay the only visibility issue I have is with reversing. My GPS has a plug for a reversing camera but how it works is a mystery. If I can solve that, it's getting a camera somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought the ugly vanagon style mirrors that bus depot sells. They won't win any style pints but they are way more functional than stock.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

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Nigel A. Skeet, "Minimising the Blindspots: Twin-Lens Mirrors, Fresnel Lenses, Periscopes and Other Devices", Transporter Talk, Issue 75, February 2005, pp40~46.

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This is a more complete set of images, showing the advantages of the Zanetti twin-lens door mirrors

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When I wrote in Transporter Talk about the direct-replacement twin-lens cab-door mirrors, for the 1968~79 VW Type 2, I never expected to one day come across a picture of some. The associated stems screw directly into the doors' pre-threaded M16 x 1•5 mm holes.

However, not long ago I stumbled across on The Samba, an archived advertisement for the German Telerent television rental company, which features about twenty pre-1973 VW Type 2 vans, whose left-hand cab doors, appear to have been retro-fitted with what appears to be some of these twin-lens mirrors. There might also have been some retro-fitted to the right-hand cab doors, but one cannot see in this advertisement.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/ads/ads5.php

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chazz79 wrote:
I bought the ugly vanagon style mirrors that bus depot sells. They won't win any style pints but they are way more functional than stock.


Are you referring to these?

http://www.busdepot.com/12180

http://www.busdepot.com/12179

It's rumoured that each of these are intended to be fitted to the cab doors using two M16 x 1.5 mm socket screws.

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-733559756-r...iginal-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-723500407-r...97-par-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-820793720-r...ageiro-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-804524152-r...iginal-_JM

Trawling through a Brazilian website (in Portuguese) recently, there appears to be another similar VW Vanagon style mirror, for the Brazilian "bay-window" VW Type 2, which are designed to fasten onto the cab doors, using just a single M16 x 1.5 mm socket screw.

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-688387902-r...lipper-_JM
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

Countdown to Robbie telling you all to tilt your mirrors to the magic angle of 52+ epsilon degrees to eliminate blind spots...or vision-impaired spots
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chazz79 wrote:
I bought the ugly vanagon style mirrors that bus depot sells. They won't win any style pints but they are way more functional than stock.




They look great on my bus.

Maybe your bus is making them look ugly? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NASkeet wrote:
chazz79 wrote:
I bought the ugly vanagon style mirrors that bus depot sells. They won't win any style pints but they are way more functional than stock.


Are you referring to these?

http://www.busdepot.com/12180

http://www.busdepot.com/12179

It's rumoured that each of these are intended to be fitted to the cab doors using two M16 x 1.5 mm socket screws.

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-733559756-r...iginal-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-723500407-r...97-par-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-820793720-r...ageiro-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-804524152-r...iginal-_JM

Trawling through a Brazilian website (in Portuguese) recently, there appears to be another similar VW Vanagon style mirror, for the Brazilian "bay-window" VW Type 2, which are designed to fasten onto the cab doors, using just a single M16 x 1.5 mm socket screw.

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-688387902-r...lipper-_JM


who speaks Portuguese and can tell me if they ship these to usa?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

According to google translate they ship worldwide.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

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These are right-hand & left-hand, Ford Transit Connect, factory-fitted, over-and-under, twin-lens door mirrors, which I think could possibly be adapted, for use on the 1968~79 VW Type 2 and similar post-1995 Brazilian built buses. The black, plastic mirror housing, is approximately 210 mm tall x 140 mm wide, so it's not much larger than the stock 1968~79 VW Type 2 mirror.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit_Connect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit_Connect#2009_update

I envisage trimming the stock Ford mirror mounting and making an intermediate, GRP moulded adapter, with M16 x 1•5 mm bolt, to fix it to the moulded body section, just below the bottom of the cab window.

The top mirror lens, is the normal rear-view driving mirror, which is electrically adjustable, by means of the usual electric servo motors and four-way switch.

The bottom mirror lens, is a fixed, highly convex, blindspot mirror, which enables one to see vehicles in the rear-quarter blindspot, such as those associated with freeway on-ramps (i.e. motorway slip-roads), or simply overtaking on the freeway, one-way street or roundabout, of which there are numerous in Great Britain.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

I don't have blind spots with my mirrors.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

rottenkid wrote:
I don't have blind spots with my mirrors.


I haven't tried my mirrors that way in a while; can you see the curb-side rear tire for easy parallel parking?

Abscate wrote:
Countdown to Robbie telling you all to tilt your mirrors to the magic angle of 52+ epsilon degrees to eliminate blind spots...or vision-impaired spots


See, my evangelism works for me. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

I have not had a reason to parrellel park my bus. They sure do help when your driving on the 401 when going through Toronto.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

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I have not had a reason to parrellel park my bus.


Shocked

Must be nice. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

In Great Britain & Europe, we need to be able to able to parallel park, reverse park, diagonal park and park in all conceivable ways possible! Wink Hence, all around visibility is essential, especially if one wants to avoid reversing into things like bollards, barriers and low walls.

Car parking spaces in car parks (parking lots in USA parlance!?!) are both narrow and short, so one needs to be competent and accurate in one's parking, to avoid overlapping into adjacent vacant parking spaces or colliding with parked cars. They same is true when embarking and disembarking from ferries.

Space is at a premium here, so one cannot afford to waste it. Many of the domestic garages are TOO narrow to accommodate modern cars, so one would need to fold-in the external mirrors and push the vehicle in and out, because one could NOT open & close the vehicle door far enough, to get in or out of the driver's seat. Some modern cars are also TOO long to fit in many domestic garages.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

I know what you mean about Britain. I have driven there. You drive around the round-about faster than on the round-about in Canada.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

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I know what you mean about Britain. I have driven there. You drive around the round-about faster than on the round-about in Canada.


We also have mini-roundabouts, double mini-roundabouts, roundabouts with satellite roundabouts, etc.

Here's what my local "magic roundabout looks like:

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Sadlers_Farm

Of course, if one has been taught to drive the British way, it's relatively straight forward to navigate. Very Happy

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title...-_3471.jpg

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2110535

Here are a few more roundabouts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Safety

Statistically, modern roundabouts are safer for drivers and pedestrians than both traffic circles and traditional intersections. Roundabouts are safer than both traffic circles and junctions—experiencing 39% fewer vehicle collisions, 76% fewer injuries and 90% fewer serious injuries and fatalities (according to a study of a sampling of roundabouts in the United States, when compared with the junctions they replaced).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Colchester)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Hemel_Hempstead)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19726385

http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=115&ss=289
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

rottenkid wrote:
I know what you mean about Britain. I have driven there. You drive around the round-about faster than on the round-about in Canada.


That's just the conversion rate
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

I use these. Getting tougher to find this size that don't have the black plastic border. I ordered 4 boxes on eBay from South Korea.

Been using this for 20 years works fine. They last for 4 or 5 years then fall off then you stick another one on there.

When I parallel park they allow me to see the curb. I see no need to install larger mirror.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! Reply with quote

I had the smaller cover mirrors, but I found them just too small and put on the larger ones. I use them on mt Astro Van and my GMC pickup. I have paralleled parked those vehicles using those mirrors, so I know I would have no problem with my bus.
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