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Mr. Unpopular Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2005 Posts: 3715 Location: Tampa Florida
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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How hard is it to find the factory extended mirrors? _________________ "In any racing engine, the nearer you are to it disintegrating, the better it's performance will be"
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest I think the bays have less blind spots than a lot of modern cars. The Fairlane I drive is loaded with them. It is very common to see them with front quarter panel damage. The A pillars are thick enough and just the right position and angle to totally block out a car travelling at the same speed on an intersecting road. It's also pretty hard to see near the C and D pillars.
In my bay the only visibility issue I have is with reversing. My GPS has a plug for a reversing camera but how it works is a mystery. If I can solve that, it's getting a camera somewhere. _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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chazz79 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2008 Posts: 2268 Location: ohio
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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NASkeet wrote: |
Nigel A. Skeet, "Minimising the Blindspots: Twin-Lens Mirrors, Fresnel Lenses, Periscopes and Other Devices", Transporter Talk, Issue 75, February 2005, pp40~46.
This is a more complete set of images, showing the advantages of the Zanetti twin-lens door mirrors
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When I wrote in Transporter Talk about the direct-replacement twin-lens cab-door mirrors, for the 1968~79 VW Type 2, I never expected to one day come across a picture of some. The associated stems screw directly into the doors' pre-threaded M16 x 1•5 mm holes.
However, not long ago I stumbled across on The Samba, an archived advertisement for the German Telerent television rental company, which features about twenty pre-1973 VW Type 2 vans, whose left-hand cab doors, appear to have been retro-fitted with what appears to be some of these twin-lens mirrors. There might also have been some retro-fitted to the right-hand cab doors, but one cannot see in this advertisement.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/ads/ads5.php
_________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:39 am Post subject: |
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chazz79 wrote: |
I bought the ugly vanagon style mirrors that bus depot sells. They won't win any style pints but they are way more functional than stock. |
Are you referring to these?
http://www.busdepot.com/12180
http://www.busdepot.com/12179
It's rumoured that each of these are intended to be fitted to the cab doors using two M16 x 1.5 mm socket screws.
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-733559756-r...iginal-_JM
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-723500407-r...97-par-_JM
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-820793720-r...ageiro-_JM
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-804524152-r...iginal-_JM
Trawling through a Brazilian website (in Portuguese) recently, there appears to be another similar VW Vanagon style mirror, for the Brazilian "bay-window" VW Type 2, which are designed to fasten onto the cab doors, using just a single M16 x 1.5 mm socket screw.
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-688387902-r...lipper-_JM _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22671 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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Countdown to Robbie telling you all to tilt your mirrors to the magic angle of 52+ epsilon degrees to eliminate blind spots...or vision-impaired spots _________________ .ssS! |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:59 am Post subject: |
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chazz79 wrote: |
I bought the ugly vanagon style mirrors that bus depot sells. They won't win any style pints but they are way more functional than stock. |
They look great on my bus.
Maybe your bus is making them look ugly? _________________
t3kg wrote: |
OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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alman72 Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2014 Posts: 2573 Location: MICHIGAN
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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who speaks Portuguese and can tell me if they ship these to usa? |
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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According to google translate they ship worldwide. |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=327517
These are right-hand & left-hand, Ford Transit Connect, factory-fitted, over-and-under, twin-lens door mirrors, which I think could possibly be adapted, for use on the 1968~79 VW Type 2 and similar post-1995 Brazilian built buses. The black, plastic mirror housing, is approximately 210 mm tall x 140 mm wide, so it's not much larger than the stock 1968~79 VW Type 2 mirror.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit_Connect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit_Connect#2009_update
I envisage trimming the stock Ford mirror mounting and making an intermediate, GRP moulded adapter, with M16 x 1•5 mm bolt, to fix it to the moulded body section, just below the bottom of the cab window.
The top mirror lens, is the normal rear-view driving mirror, which is electrically adjustable, by means of the usual electric servo motors and four-way switch.
The bottom mirror lens, is a fixed, highly convex, blindspot mirror, which enables one to see vehicles in the rear-quarter blindspot, such as those associated with freeway on-ramps (i.e. motorway slip-roads), or simply overtaking on the freeway, one-way street or roundabout, of which there are numerous in Great Britain. _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
http://www.vwt2oc.net
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rottenkid Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2015 Posts: 236 Location: Warkworth, ontario
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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I don't have blind spots with my mirrors.
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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rottenkid wrote: |
I don't have blind spots with my mirrors.
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I haven't tried my mirrors that way in a while; can you see the curb-side rear tire for easy parallel parking?
Abscate wrote: |
Countdown to Robbie telling you all to tilt your mirrors to the magic angle of 52+ epsilon degrees to eliminate blind spots...or vision-impaired spots |
See, my evangelism works for me.
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com |
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rottenkid Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2015 Posts: 236 Location: Warkworth, ontario
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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I have not had a reason to parrellel park my bus. They sure do help when your driving on the 401 when going through Toronto. |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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rottenkid wrote: |
I have not had a reason to parrellel park my bus. |
Must be nice. _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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In Great Britain & Europe, we need to be able to able to parallel park, reverse park, diagonal park and park in all conceivable ways possible! Hence, all around visibility is essential, especially if one wants to avoid reversing into things like bollards, barriers and low walls.
Car parking spaces in car parks (parking lots in USA parlance!?!) are both narrow and short, so one needs to be competent and accurate in one's parking, to avoid overlapping into adjacent vacant parking spaces or colliding with parked cars. They same is true when embarking and disembarking from ferries.
Space is at a premium here, so one cannot afford to waste it. Many of the domestic garages are TOO narrow to accommodate modern cars, so one would need to fold-in the external mirrors and push the vehicle in and out, because one could NOT open & close the vehicle door far enough, to get in or out of the driver's seat. Some modern cars are also TOO long to fit in many domestic garages. _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
http://www.vwt2oc.net
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rottenkid Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2015 Posts: 236 Location: Warkworth, ontario
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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I know what you mean about Britain. I have driven there. You drive around the round-about faster than on the round-about in Canada. |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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rottenkid wrote: |
I know what you mean about Britain. I have driven there. You drive around the round-about faster than on the round-about in Canada. |
We also have mini-roundabouts, double mini-roundabouts, roundabouts with satellite roundabouts, etc.
Here's what my local "magic roundabout looks like:
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Sadlers_Farm
Of course, if one has been taught to drive the British way, it's relatively straight forward to navigate.
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title...-_3471.jpg
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2110535
Here are a few more roundabouts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Safety
Statistically, modern roundabouts are safer for drivers and pedestrians than both traffic circles and traditional intersections. Roundabouts are safer than both traffic circles and junctions—experiencing 39% fewer vehicle collisions, 76% fewer injuries and 90% fewer serious injuries and fatalities (according to a study of a sampling of roundabouts in the United States, when compared with the junctions they replaced).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Colchester)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Hemel_Hempstead)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19726385
http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=115&ss=289 _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
http://www.vwt2oc.net
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aerosurfer Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2012 Posts: 1602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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rottenkid wrote: |
I know what you mean about Britain. I have driven there. You drive around the round-about faster than on the round-about in Canada. |
That's just the conversion rate _________________ Rebuild your own FI Harness..My Harness
77 Westy 2.0L Rockin and Rolling Resto!
72 Sportsmobile (sold)
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chabanais Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2002 Posts: 4866
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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I use these. Getting tougher to find this size that don't have the black plastic border. I ordered 4 boxes on eBay from South Korea.
Been using this for 20 years works fine. They last for 4 or 5 years then fall off then you stick another one on there.
When I parallel park they allow me to see the curb. I see no need to install larger mirror.
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rottenkid Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2015 Posts: 236 Location: Warkworth, ontario
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Minimising Blindspots: The Available Options!?! |
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I had the smaller cover mirrors, but I found them just too small and put on the larger ones. I use them on mt Astro Van and my GMC pickup. I have paralleled parked those vehicles using those mirrors, so I know I would have no problem with my bus. |
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