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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It works for me, can you think of any reason that it wouldnt work for others?


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Edit-To clarify my point:
Billy Mays' statement in this clip is simply "You don't need a cabinet full of cleaners", to which I agree wholeheartedly. There are dozens of products out there that will improve the look and feel of the weatherstripping (although none will bring it back from dead). None seem to work any better than baby oil or silicone spray.

You don't need a cabinet full of stuff, if one or two products will handle most of the jobs.

Hope that helps you out, Marie!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the "as seen on tv" good ole boy Billy Mays! The youtube link is an amusing outtake of him.

Your comment sounded like one of his ad claims, that's all. No offense intended, RCB.

Baby oil does work well on weatherstripping, as does silicone spray. The trick is applying it often enough, without overapplying.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey riceye, Can you elaborate on the correlation between my posting and your reply to it ? I didnt open the link due to past issues with YouTube.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It works for me, can you think of any reason that it wouldnt work for others?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TK, if the rubber is as cracked as the Serengeti and or shrunk beyond belief than obviously its best to replace it Baby oil works wonders on the rubber trim on my Westy, as well as the dash. I bought a new sliding door seal from VW a few years ago because parts were getting hard to find. I havent used it yet but my 26 year old seal is just as pliable as the new one is and Ive been applying baby oil to all the seals for years and years. It doesent leak either.All my seals ,interior as well as exterior look brand new.....no leaks either. If it works for me, can you think of any reason why it wouldnt work for someone else?? Maybe you should give it a try......... another thing, did you know that frequent applications of Furniture Polish to after market hub caps and bumpers creates a nearly rust free finish as well as a beautiful shine? Its the silicone thats in those "types" of polishes that works wonders. It works for me, can you think of any reason that it wouldnt work for others?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would second the advice for 303 Aerospace Protectant. I use it on just about everything rubber, including the latex seals on my dry suit. Expensive but it works. It won't restore badly cracked or torn material but will bring back rubber that has dried out and probably provides the best UV protection vs other products.

One concern regarding vegetable oil would be attracting mice, rats etc, or even bears depending on where you are camping or storing your Van...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NOTHING is going to reverse the UV damaged rubber.


Don't be so sure of yourself, Oh Great Master of Mayhem. When I was a baby, my mom rubbed me down with baby oil every time she changed my diaper. It worked so well that I went on to have one of the go-go dancers I dated do it, too. Now, if I can only convince my Sweetheart that it's the way to go, I have a shot at looking like I did when I was twenty.

Whenever I wasn't being slathered with baby oil, I did manage to discover that rubber compounds are not compatible with all oils. It occurred when I told a motor rebuilder to fill a bunch of oil-filled submersible pumps with transformer oil as the final step in rebuilding them. The pumps ran great with the transformer oil, but their SO Type (rubber insulated) drop cords wicked up the transformer oil until they were about to pop. Damn cords looked like un-smoked kielbasi plugged into the junction boxes.

As usual, when all else fails, call the vendor. I was told that the correct oil for the application was vegetable oil. It was odd to pick up a case of Wesson at the food purveyor and drop it off at the motor shop.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perales wrote:
As per the Bentley:
"To seal properly, weatherstrips around hood, hatch, windows, doors, etc., must be pliable. Spray with silicone or coat with talcum powder or glycerine to retain flexibility of the rubber and to protect against freezing in the winter."

I am not sure about using silicone since I have heard to keep it far away from vehicles, but I suspect that it might really be the best thing to do any reconditioning, assuming the rubber is not already decomposing. I believe scuba divers are known to use talcum powder on their mask rubber to keep it in shape, but I assume that is more of a preventative thing. Glycerine could be interesting though...?


Why not silicone?? Are the properties of silicone bad for paint, etc.?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

an old body shop trick is to use ATF. I apply it about once every two years. My seals are still OG and in very supple shape. I also live in a very dry climate. I have used ATF to bring back old ghia dash board covers, rubber mats, you name it. Some will say "oh that ATF petroleum based and that is bad for rubber", well 20 years later and my seals are still like new, you do the math Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As per the Bentley:
"To seal properly, weatherstrips around hood, hatch, windows, doors, etc., must be pliable. Spray with silicone or coat with talcum powder or glycerine to retain flexibility of the rubber and to protect against freezing in the winter."

I am not sure about using silicone since I have heard to keep it far away from vehicles, but I suspect that it might really be the best thing to do any reconditioning, assuming the rubber is not already decomposing. I believe scuba divers are known to use talcum powder on their mask rubber to keep it in shape, but I assume that is more of a preventative thing. Glycerine could be interesting though...?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mariposa wrote:
Thanks guys,

I think that I am gonna try the baby oil (cheap-cheap!!!), and save up for some bran new seals...


I'd save the baby oil for those Saturday night dates with the wife....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys,

I think that I am gonna try the baby oil (cheap-cheap!!!), and save up for some bran new seals...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buck said it best--

If the rubber's or glass gaskets are dried up and weather checked--

NOTHING is going to reverse the UV damaged rubber.

Save yourself some time, money and aggravation.
There is no miracle rubber restoration product that's going to fill in the cracks in the rubber or get them to swell up back to their factory original, new condition.

It's an physical impossibility.

Replacing the dried up rubber parts is the only way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone else apply Baby oil to the seals and to the dash board ??


I do, brother, on everything from Winston to Big Dodge, the '70 Dart, to a '93 Saturn SW2 and the results are always good. Use a rag you won't want back, because after you've put the baby oil on the window rubber, the rag you used to do it will be black with oxidation. But Winston's seals have regained some flexibility, and the window gasket I pulled for the first set of jalousies was in good enough condition to have been re-used, although we didn't.

I use baby oil on the rubber, the vinyl, and the plastic, inside and out. Winston's dash pad improves with every treatement. It does 'cook off' on the windows, but that is why God invented Windex.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they show any signs of hardening or cracks, replace them. No type of coating/application is going to bring them back.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silicone paste. I have used it successfully for the last 20 years. rub it on with the brush and rub in and on the rest of the way and globs back off. It is also good for minor water leaks. Don't use it on the surfaces that contact glass.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else apply Baby oil to the seals and to the dash board ??
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh my!

checked out the "aerospace protectant". I like the name...I"m gonna order some if the shipping isn't too much (nope, you can't buy that stuff up here...sigh)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm, and I thought Vaseline was just for.... Oh, never mind. Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was chatting with a guy at the Napa counter and he was suggesting vaseline (?) seems strange to me
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