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pastellgreen
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 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:40 am Post subject: Re: 1952 crotch cooler ragtop - Is this a real / correct ragtop? |
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As I worked at the certificate service for a while I can tell, that "12" was never (!) written int the original (Wagenstamm-) books. I don't know why it was stamped onto the plates, in the books they only wrote 11 for sedans, also 11G for sunroofs.
The discusion above was about why it was named "G", Golde etc... with my hint on the tech section I only wanted to show the model behind the type designation, thats all. |
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my56samba
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1952 crotch cooler ragtop - Is this a real / correct ragtop? |
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| Where in the tech section does it explain the 12 for a 10/12G? |
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pastellgreen
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| billmetric wrote: |
Umm, G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, 11A = the later 111 standard, 11C=113 the later deluxe, 11G=117 deluxe sunroof , very simple
112 was the right hand drive standard, 114 the RHD deluxe, a right hand drive split sunroof should be stamped 11H (118) not sure if I've ever seen a photo of a RHD split sunroof vin plate though anyone?
11G has nothing to do with Golde, just a coincidence stay away from that crazy guy with his insane theorys  |
Why don't you simply have a look at the tech section:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/modelstype1.php |
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bally
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: 1952 croth cooler ragtop - Is this a real / correct ragtop? |
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I'm intrigued, did this turn out to be a genuine 11G? Did you buy it? Any subsequent pictures?
Cheers. Dave
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Burman
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| billmetric wrote: |
Umm, G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, 11A = the later 111 standard, 11C=113 the later deluxe, 11G=117 deluxe sunroof , very simple
112 was the right hand drive standard, 114 the RHD deluxe, a right hand drive split sunroof should be stamped 11H (118) not sure if I've ever seen a photo of a RHD split sunroof vin plate though anyone?
11G has nothing to do with Golde, just a coincidence stay away from that crazy guy with his insane theorys |
Makes sence...that convinced me...sorry  |
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billmetric
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Umm, G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, 11A = the later 111 standard, 11C=113 the later deluxe, 11G=117 deluxe sunroof , very simple
112 was the right hand drive standard, 114 the RHD deluxe, a right hand drive split sunroof should be stamped 11H (118) not sure if I've ever seen a photo of a RHD split sunroof vin plate though anyone?
11G has nothing to do with Golde, just a coincidence stay away from that crazy guy with his insane theorys
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Wiggy
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| vwmadeinireland wrote: |
| Or are there also 10/12 C cars? |
The hardtops were 10/12's too.
You need the "G". thats what is important.
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vwmadeinireland
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| Thanks Kevin, but might this be a good indication that the ragtop is a genuine one? Or are there also 10/12 C cars? |
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Wiggy
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11G and 12G are the same. They changed it at some point. My rag is actually a 52 (EARLY jan car) and its a 12 G. I am totally guessing, but maybe they "1" and the "2" represented 51 and 52.
Dunno. Doesn't hold too much water since a 50 was an 11.
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vwmadeinireland
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Re: 1952 croth cooler ragtop - Is this a real / correct ragt |
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A-H are just model letters.
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Mrs Herbie - Your VIN plate reads 10/12 G. The VIN on this beetle reads 10/12 G too. Does 10/11 mean LHD and 10/12 mean RHD? I.e. what does 12 mean? |
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mrsherbie
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Re: 1952 croth cooler ragtop - Is this a real / correct ragt |
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I agree with Kevin, the rail edge looks wrong, too square. And you would see the join in your pic. If the rails had been swapped out of a real car I would wonder why? I know there could be many reasons, but if you are restoring a split, its not hard to find Golde rails, even later type to cut. If the rails are wrong it will certainly be affecting how well it opens.
Any chance they could be Britax rails?
Screws in cover are a bit large but in pretty much the right place, our original cover the screws went through the line of stitching. And obviously ideally the cover would not be vinyl but I guess you know that and its not really important 
A-H are just model letters.
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Burman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Well, one explanation could be that the model has to be called something
and since Golde turned out to be the manufacturer for those roofs and the "G" was availible they picked that for the left hand side deluxe model.
And since this hardly was anything that the customer cared for (that the "G" in 11G stood for Golde) the following models (standards, righ hand side etc)
got other letters.
The guy who told me this information I donīt have contact with anymore and donīt wish to either...so take it or leave it |
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| Burman wrote: |
| .....so I īve been told and it seemed logic. |
Go ask the person who told you, then tell us what they said.
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| What does the H stand for in an 11H car that also has a Golde sunroof? |
Hole in the roof?! |
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Burman
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...eeeh... you got me there  but so I īve been told and it seemed logic.
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| Burman wrote: |
And the "G" in 11G actually stands for Golde... |
What does the H stand for in an 11H car that also has a Golde sunroof?
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Burman
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Wrong! The rubber insert rail type occured just before the zwitter era. Which means that a few actually have those...but you are correct...itīs not "very common"
Another difference is the reinforcement pieces in the front corners. Early splits didnīt have those.
And the "G" in 11G actually stands for Golde...But you probably allready knew |
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Could be correct rail if you ask me. Here is what it should look like.
Where the short meets the long piece could be hidden in the shadow
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I thought original split rag rails had NO rubber inserts in them for the full length of both pieces. If that is the case the long rail would be incorrect in this picture. |
Thats correct, good eye. |
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| Burman wrote: |
Could be correct rail if you ask me. Here is what it should look like.
Where the short meets the long piece could be hidden in the shadow
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I thought original split rag rails had NO rubber inserts in them for the full length of both pieces. If that is the case the long rail would be incorrect in this picture. |
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