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esde
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 Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:53 pm Post subject: Front engine tin differences |
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Going through the piles of tin, and I realized there were different early tins. Some have two tabs to grab the bell hosing flange, and some have 1 welded tab in center. I think the single tab was on a zwitter engine, but I have a second and it came out of a 57..
I have several with the two tabs. A search here yielded no results.
Anyone?
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RockStock
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:38 am Post subject: Re: front engine tin differences |
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I mentioned this detail here, halfway down the page
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=179439&start=600
Looks like it went from one to two tabs in 57 or so
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30hp front tin…when was the change?
1 tab & 2 tab
Which is the earlier version? 1 tab?
1 tab seen on a May 56 engine |
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s.e.charles
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:47 am Post subject: Re: front engine tin differences |
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if i had the means to be a serious collector, i would either worship or
curse the Zwitter.
probably both, and on the same day, too. |
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esde
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: front engine tin differences |
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I asked this question on an split and oval page on FB, and had several people respond that their 57 cars had the single tab tin, and someone locally has a very original 56 that has the 2 tab stye. So perhaps there was some crossover? @ different suppliers? A design change while there was inventory of the other style somewhere? I wonder.
I have not seen any pics showing the 2 tab style earlier than 56....
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RustPatch
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: front engine tin differences |
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I have 2 tabs on my Feb '55. Looks original but who really knows.
Both the 1952 and 1956 IPCs available on the samba show drawings of the single tab tin with part number of 111 119 513.
The 1960 IPC shows two tabs with a part number change to 111 119 517.
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: front engine tin differences |
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| RustPatch wrote: |
I have 2 tabs on my Feb '55. Looks original but who really knows.
Both the 1952 and 1956 IPCs available on the samba show drawings of the single tab tin with part number of 111 119 513.
The 1960 IPC shows two tabs with a part number change to 111 119 517. |
Be careful when relying on parts diagrams, owners manuals and repair manuals for defining when details change. It was a lot harder back then to change the artwork that went into those documents so they would reuse old artwork well past when any minor details changed. They only went to the effort of taking new pictures, making new or modifying drawings when there was a very good reason. They even airbrushed certain details onto old pictures to avoid taking new pictures, but again for a good reason, such as something that the customer would notice, or a major enough change that the parts guy or mechanic needs to see the new details.
Notice anything different about the picture of the man washing the car?
The first one is from a '54 manual, and the second is from a '56 manual.
Same exact photograph, different tail lights and tail pipes. This was something a customer would notice, so it warranted airbrushing the new tail lights on, and was cheaper, easier, faster than taking a new picture. A slight change in the tabs on the front engine tin, most likely wouldn't warrant the effort and expense to change the artwork.
As to why they changed from the single, welded on tab to the two, part of the stamping tabs, probably partially because it was simpler and cheaper to modify the dies so they are created during the stamping process than someone having to stamp the tabs and another person to spot weld them on, and they probably determined that two tabs held the tin in place better than one.
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