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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:52 pm Post subject: Automatic guys, check it out |
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New pans, diff covers and governor caps are now being made. Jon and Matt are doing Gods work
These will be available from FAS. Matt will build a trans with them but not sell them retail (at least for now)
Don't be a cheap fuck and bitch about the price, just be glad someone stepped up for us. I paid 200 bux for a used original pan, so whatever these end up being will be cheap in comparison _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Silverghost500 Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2018 Posts: 1088 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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Nice! Glad new components are being made!
I've often wondered if new NLA parts inside the automatic could be remade. Things like the long pump input shaft, planetary gears, governor, etc. With today's 3D scanning tools and CAD programs it could probably be done. Just a matter of getting the right metallurgy, hardness, etc. on the components. _________________ 1986 Volkswagen Vanagon Westfalia "Von Westy"
Honda K24A converversion-Road Testing Phase
3-Speed Automatic
Von Westy YouTube Channel
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7922 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
New pans, diff covers and governor caps are now being made. |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
These will be available from FAS. Matt will build a trans with them but not sell them retail (at least for now)... |
Oh... _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - 孔子 |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32625 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17153 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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I'm going to guess, because someone ripped off his oil pan design back when they were selling them individually, that they learned a lesson from that. No honor amongst theives. Really ashame one bad apple would ruin it for everyone else. I totally understand though. _________________ ☮️ |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6560 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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Pretty good guess Mark, and can add that’s a helluva painful thing for any creative worker.
Plus I despise thieves, and especially of one’s lifeblood. AI can go straight down about 4,000 miles. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
— Colin Chapman |
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outcaststudios Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2015 Posts: 1732 Location: Maine
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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one day i hope someone calls our foundry, gets real patterns and core boxes made and then has them no bake ,sand cast in 356. _________________ '88Doka JX td
'69 westy
(rip)couple bugs
(rip)three type III"s
(rip) '81 vanagon
a bunch of french stuff,and 9 motorcycles.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2573791 |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6560 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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Possibly off-topic or not, I’d love to see someone casting transmission housings.
A comrade in Colorado could if inspired, he’s been casting heads for Packards and Auburns but is decidedly not a V-Dubber.
I think a lot of VW boxes ending up as the shell for race cars, Hewland as one who used them. Someone, somewhere, has to be or at least should be making these.
If you wanted to Outcast, I’d bet a lot of us would chip in on production costs… I know I would. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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outcaststudios Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2015 Posts: 1732 Location: Maine
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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thats super cool bro! but its seriously expensive, so i understand why it hasnt emerged. also the ability to change small details must be al done before commitiing it to tooling so theres also a development aspect with machining that is better and cheaper to change than a permanent tool would be. our patternmaker can still change or alter a core box or pattern any time too, but most people dont have the stomach for the bills. or the demand i guess. but the customers that do are making great money or else wed all be out of business so i know its possible. take that shifter fiasco for example. the guy was spending like 6 hours on each piece and doing it in a hand mill, then orders blew up and he disappeared. if he had made a tool all he wouldve needed to do was to order castings and then fit them and send them out...for example. anyways cool looking machining going on here and its always cool to see people make parts! _________________ '88Doka JX td
'69 westy
(rip)couple bugs
(rip)three type III"s
(rip) '81 vanagon
a bunch of french stuff,and 9 motorcycles.
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6560 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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Skills, if I’ve diverted your thread way too far — and pretty sure I have, and also in my talking about manual gearboxes — apologies and please advise.
Maybe Outcast and I could start another one and move our posts over to it.
Outcast, Thanks for that info!
Yeah, one would think that between the rebuilders, the suppliers, us users, and possibly in racing if there’s overlap (I have no idea specific to our gearboxes and think the ones used for racing were used in Beetles, not sure) — but there sure seems a market there.
I suspect the bigger power crowd is going through these boxes at record rates, too. They were never built for that, though if used correctly should be far more manageable than breakable.
Worth thinking about… but as with everything, it’s never as easy as it seems and especially as it should be. I’m in if you are, and my interest is just for the community. I can’t imagine the rebuilders not buying a small minimum of cases, or investing in development with a re-pay option being some cases after production.
Perhaps we’ve reached a point of needing a new, stronger box to accommodate all. I have a ton of friends in racing, and within them is surely a great gearbox guy to take this on.
I know one who was the gearbox guy in IMSA and Indycar, he’d know but has likely retired and back to Ireland.
A best friend’s engineered with Ferrari, Lotus, Williams and others in F1 and LeMans prototypes, and knows a ton of high-enders.
Just food for thought… _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7922 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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MarkWard wrote: |
I'm going to guess, because someone ripped off his oil pan design back when they were selling them individually, that they learned a lesson from that. No honor amongst thieves. Really ashame one bad apple would ruin it for everyone else. I totally understand though. |
Don't blame them at all. Just a bummer for those out there who have a damaged pan for some reason (road debris, carelessness, etc.) and need to replace just the pan.
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AI can go straight down about 4,000 miles. |
So can vendors who lurk in our community groups/forums and proceed to produce information and/or products without giving credit to their respective creators. 🖕 _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6560 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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I think I know what you mean, Kamz, but only about 79% sure. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
— Colin Chapman |
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allmotormatt Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2008 Posts: 5 Location: south jersey
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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I am just hoping on here to clear the air. These pans ARE AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE. Again, they are in fact available to purchase if someone you know needs a set or even individual. However, I myself am not going to be doing the retail sales. I am only offering them for my builds. They can however be purchased at FAS in Maine. Just give them a call or I am sure they will be posted on the website for purchase in the next few days. Thanks. |
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mike boland Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 161
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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Matt Steedle showed them to me in person when last month, when I dropped my 4 Speed Manual off for FAS TDI regearing.
they were NICE! |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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Important part of FAS post on FB- "Very happy to launch another FAS first. Finally a solution to the beat up, bent, leaky, dented, rotted, rusted out un-obtanium Vanagon/T3 and Bay window Automatic transmission pans... Available to ship next week. We will be offering these as individual replacement components or in a kit of 3: ATF Pan, Differential Pan, and Governor Cover. Developed in collaboration with Matt Steedle of Steedle Transmissions these HD Billet upgrades will outlast the life of your van, stop your transmission from marking it's territory, and look super sexy in the process!" |
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VicVan Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1845 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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They are on sale on FAS website:
http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories/176-hd-billet-aluminum-transmission-pans/
We are offering these as individual replacement components or in a kit of 3: ATF Pan, Differential Pan, and Governor Cover.
$600 for the kit, Contact FAS for Individual Sales
Skills, it could be worthwhile renaming the topic for future searches. Cheers. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32625 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1191 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
New pans, diff covers and governor caps are now being made. Jon and Matt are doing Gods work
These will be available from FAS. Matt will build a trans with them but not sell them retail (at least for now)
Don't be a cheap fuck and bitch about the price, just be glad someone stepped up for us. I paid 200 bux for a used original pan, so whatever these end up being will be cheap in comparison |
I know what my Christmas presents will be in 2024! Thanks for sharing Skills. _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
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SCM Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3118 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Yesterday 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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Any idea as to whether the automatic pan helps with getting the gasket to seal better than with the stock metal pan? Would the aluminum pan be an any more susceptible (brittle) to rock strikes than the original? _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Yesterday 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic guys, check it out |
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They are billet aluminum, they should be stronger and seal better. |
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