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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:22 pm    Post subject: RPMs - Worth the transmission swap? Reply with quote

I've been considering the pros and cons of swapping my 4.375 code AM transmission for a 4.125 of some sort in order to stop the engine revving so high at 60mph+

I used this: http://www.csgnetwork.com/multirpmcalc.html

If I'm inputting the numbers correctly, it seems there'd only be a reduction of just under 200rpm. Will that really be noticeably different in terms of noise and wear and tear on the engine?

Ring Gear and Pinion Ratio = 4.375
Tire Height = 25.39" (165/80 15s)
MPH =60
Transmission Final Gear Ratio = 0.89
Resulting RPM = 3092

Ring Gear and Pinion Ratio = 4.125
Tire Height = 25.39" (165/80 15s)
MPH =60
Transmission Final Gear Ratio = 0.89
Resulting RPM = 2915

Engine is a 1641cc, everything else is stock.

I'm leaning toward thinking it's not worth the hassle but i have no experience in this area, if I go over 60mph it just sounds like my engine's going to explode! Any views appreciated!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: RPMs - Worth the transmission swap? Reply with quote

Someone on theSamba showed me this link, I really like it:

https://www.blocklayer.com/rpm-gear

My Mexi-Bug originally came with the 4.37R&P and I think a .93 4th. It was terrible on the freeway. I think a 4.12 with .89 would be much nicer with a 1641. You'll be happier.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: RPMs - Worth the transmission swap? Reply with quote

Remeber it is an air cooled motor so you need to have the RPM to spin the fan to keep engine cool.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: RPMs - Worth the transmission swap? Reply with quote

Understood on the need to keep the revs up to keep the engine cooler. From what I’ve read the sweet spot is around 3000rpm at 60mph. It just feels and sounds that my engine is under a lot of strain at that speed.

This is a car which is relatively new to me, the rebuilt engine is only just run in but it pulls well in the lower gears and really purrs along at 45-50 mph. My other Beetle has a 1200 transmission (don’t know code) and a 1600 engine but seems to handle higher speeds easier. Both are swing axle.

I have an opportunity to buy an AO code transmission. I mostly drive on slower roads so swapping the box is a lot of effort for something I might only benefit from from time to time.

That’s why I’m curious if having the engine spinning 200 rpms slower will make it sound and feel that different.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: RPMs - Worth the transmission swap? Reply with quote

Remember the VW motor was designed after an airplane motor so it will run reliably at RPMs up to 4000 all day and not complain, if you lug it down you will pound out your main bearings because the case was designed for free running RPMs.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: RPMs - Worth the transmission swap? Reply with quote

VW used the 4.12 R&P gear with the 1500cc single port engine so yes your 1641 can handle it.

Yes it would be worth the effort only if you do a lot of long distance driving at 60 MPH or faster. With the 4.12 you will get slightly better fuel milage.

You could accomplish the same thing by keeping the 4.37 R&P and getting larger rear tires.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: RPMs - Worth the transmission swap? Reply with quote

Root_Werks wrote:

My Mexi-Bug originally came with the 4.37R&P and I think a .93 4th.

This isn't right. The .93 4th gear came only in German made gearboxes. Mexican Beetles had Brazilian gearboxes. There's a list somewhere from Germany that incorrectly quotes the .93 gear.
A Mexican Beetle has:
3.80
2.06
1.26
.89

And a 4.375:1 R&P. The short R&P is because Mexicans never go on long trips in Beetles. They were always used for city driving.
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