Do you HAVE to have early Type3 backing plates?

Slowlow

First off, I did a search but didnt find an exact answer.

My bus has a '68 Beetle tranny and Offset plates. I want to run Early Type three drums, but I really see NO reason why I HAVE to run the matching backingplate.

Looks and seems to me like the beetle backingplates are the same.

Maybe the adjusting holes are different?

Otherwise, I dont know why I HAVE to get the drums and plates..... Right now Im running '68 Beetle backingplates, internals and '73 Thing drums.

Any info is appreciated!
- Sam
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roberto · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject:

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These are 74 super rear backing plates I used on my brothers bus.

Slowlow · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject:

Was that with Early type three drums on top of them?
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roberto · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject:

Early typ 2 with the snouts turned down and the back lip cut back. when I first did my bus. I used the late typ 3 plates. (had the two piece drum)

I am not sure it really matters. I thought the difference is in the back lip of the drum.

Does yours rub or something?

Riff Raff · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject:

Type 3 drums are larger diameter than Type 1.
You must run Type 3 backing plates if you plan to run Type 3 drums.
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roberto · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject:

I stand corrected, I thought that they were only a wider shoe and wider braking surface.

Bryan67 · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject:

You can use late T 3 backing plates also. The difference is the late one have no adjusting holes but you can drill some. Type 4 (411 and 412) brakes are the same also.
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Shortbus · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject:

You can however use later Type 3 backing plates with your early wide 5 drums. I stole all the IRS parts and tranny for my last bus off of a 69 Type 3 (including backing plates) and then ordered new early wide 5 type 3 drums. No issues.
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Slowlow · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

Thanks guys, thats all I needed to hear.

I didnt realize that Early Type3 was bigger than Type 1... but I should have known with the weight difference.

My bus is just fine with the Type 1 parts and Thing drums, but the ass end looks a little wide. I have PLENTY of room in every direction, I just wanted to tuck the tires in a little more...

Thanks for the help guys!!
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Bryan67 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

I`m pretty sure that Thing drums go with Type 3 brakes and not Type 1 IRS. They are just wider. If thats the case then just get T 3 drums and that will narrow your track about a half inch each side. If they use T 1 brakes than the best way to go is machining down some early Bus drums.
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Slowlow · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject:

Im running Thing drums RIGHT now with the same brakeparts as an IRS beetle....

Confused

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onebadoval56 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject:

sam your selling it?

damn you must have found something good
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onebadoval56 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject:

i saw the ad then went back to look at it again and it was gone

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bill may · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject:

Slowlow · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject:

Slowlow · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject:

Bryan67 · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:33 am Post subject:

Yeah, I wasn`t sure about the Thing drums. I never saw the need for them on a Bus so never messed with them. Why make the trake wider? Type 3 brakes are the way to go.
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Erik G · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:53 am Post subject:

thing drums are helpful if you are wanting to use stock bus 15's. If you have custom rims, just use type 3 drums
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sled · Samba Member Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 6179

if you want to tuck, just narrow the torsion and run short axle/short castings.

gets rid of those offset plates too.
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