Found a 49!

jooles · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject:

Hello again,

I am now looking for some informations for the '49...
The pan of a june 49 should look like a '54 (except the rails) or a 47 (repros of Kubel pans available, matching a 47???)?
Wheels for a june 49 car are riveted 16" or non-riveted 16" (I think riveted, but need confirmation)?
I read that the embossing for the license plate on the engine decklid disappeared on july 49. Is it true? Should a june 49 car have this embossing?

Thank you!

Julien

jooles · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:37 am Post subject:

Anyone

Thanks

RichOakley · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:30 am Post subject:

jooles · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:21 am Post subject:

Thank you for the answer! I will have a great time finding the right parts for this grandma, for sure Very Happy

If the pans are the early ones, may I put repros of Kubel ones on it, like these : http://www.kubelwagen.co.uk/itemsforsaleincrepro/mainlistingpage.htm

Only one doubt about this, as the car has the same imprints as for 49-55 pans under the seats, all made with straight sheet metal. I think the guy doing this would not have made those if they weren't there, unless half pans had been replaced and then refurbished with flat rubbish... So if anyone could confirm RichOakley statement (as you didn't sound very sure, not willing to offense), it would be nice (and also for the guy I am talking with for a 50 pan, allowing him to sell it to someone else ASAP... or not!).

Thanks once more!

Julien

Bengt H · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject:

I have an unrestored june -49.
Early style decklid and the later style pan, I think the pan was changed around februari -49.

jooles · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:

Well, this is interesting Smile

So, the nice configuration should be :
- embossed decklid
- 49 to 54 pans
- riveted wheels

I read here : http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=220732&highlight=pan that june 49 beetles should have banana bumpers and L handle for the bonnet.
But here : http://www.vintagevw.org/t1s_histo.html is stated that these changes occured on may.

Assuming the 49 has dimpled bumpers and the later split handle (and these would be a pain to fit afterwards for very little more comfort), I would bet it was like that outside the factory. Anyone to confirm?

Thanks Wink

Julien

tazm · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:

L handle and bumpers 1/5/49 floorpan number 1-0102948
Rear decklid 7/49 vin 1-0111054

Guido

jooles · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject:

Thank you Guido, I like those informations with dates and everything.
So the 49 (VIN 113...) is :
- 49- handle on the bonnet (apron OK, handle not OK, bonnet I don't know yet)
- non embossed engine lid (OK, handle not OK)
- riveted wheels (well, definately not OK... yet Wink

)
- 49-54 pan (what pan, where??? :p)
- grooved bumpers (two quarters OK, to be re-welded right :p)

Niiice, I like that.

Thank you Wink

Julien

Edit : Guido, are you sure of the dates you said? 111054 is june, not July... Or sure of the VIN? Thanks once more Wink

Ju

tazm · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject:

I thought Vin 110 248 is last builded chassis in June 49 and vin 114 530 is last builded chassis in july49 !
so 1-0111054 would be early july 49 !
BTW I found 2 front oval fenders today for you Julien !! Shocked

Guido

jooles · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject:

My mistake Embarassed

just discovered that the VIINS given here on the samba are the last of each month... So the 49 is a July 49, not june... oops!
So maybe a standard finally... Anyway, I'm waiting for the certificate from VW, even if she's not mine yet...

For the fenders : e-mail Wink

Thanks once more Wink

Julien

jooles · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:

Well, digging this out...

Unfortunately, the 49 is still not at home. Documents are incredibly difficult to make here...

BUT, I'm collecting parts and informations...

So, one question : would brakes of a late standard beetle be the same as those for the 49? Or could these be easily modified to be the same (changing pads and drums for instance).

Thanks Wink

Julien

petrol punk · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject:

twinwindows · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject:

Good luck with your 49, I had all kinds of fun with the one I had.

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jooles · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:16 am Post subject:

Thank you both Wink

Well, I had a look at progressive refinements...

It appears that there are several changes :
- in 1951, the number of bolts for the front plates got from 3 to 4. I assume that as the 49 has hydraulic brakes, it should have 4 bolts spindles...
- several changes in shoes springs
- it seems that there have been a major change in march 55 including longer hubs at rear and duplex brakes front (!). BUT this last modification sounds like it's only for export, not standard... And brakes with 2 cilinders sounds strange to me...

Anyone to confirm or infirm?

Thanks Wink

Julien

Twinwindos : very, very nice 49!!! I hope mine will look this nice!!! And very nice collection Wink

I love that kind of porn Very Happy

jooles · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:02 am Post subject:

Hi again :p

I got the certificate from VW today. The old lady used to be L41 black Very Happy

Niiice, the colour I wanted Very Happy

But one question. The certificate says it's a type 11, VW Sedan (nothing after) from July, the 27th... Shouldn't it be specified 11A or 11C? Maybe they only couldn't figure out what was the letter?

Thanks Wink

Julien

PS : yes, I had a look to the dedicated topics, nothing about 11 alone...
PPS : and, according to a document from VW I got with the certificate for the 54, L41 are only for standard in 49...

eurodub · Samba Member Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 1321

have you cleaned the ID tag in the front trunk? when i cleaned mine i got a C stamped after the 1/11 code..

that may answer your questions..
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jooles · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:10 am Post subject:

This is probably what I'll do when the car will be home... Have to wait a little though...

Julien

tazm · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:42 am Post subject:

Hi Julien,

Where was your car delivered ???
I'm just curious , because I know you found it in Bulgaria??

Regards,

Guido

jooles · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject:

It's the only info not mentionned...
The 54 had been delivered in Germany (Mahag).

I'm pretty sure it's the same for the 49... It' registered in Bg only from 63 Wink

Ju

stickyriggs · Samba Member Joined: June 03, 2007 Posts: 35

My '49 standard vin plate is stamped 10/11. and the birth Cert. states 11 norm. no letters


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