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happyhippo Segapone Wanna-B
Joined: June 22, 2004 Posts: 766 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Decklid center brake light style changes |
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Hey folks,
Everett and I were exchanging some emails about decklid brakelight styles. Seems there is no definitive posting on when the style changed from the barndoor style to the later, 56-57 style (pictured). The change probably happened sometime in 1955, but does anyone know the correct month that the change was made?
Early style
Late style
NOS late style
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EverettB Administrator
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Rain's Westy Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2004 Posts: 498
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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my bus ( Wolfsburg production Jan, 56) chassies # 1624XX used the later bulb holder as pictured above . |
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campingbox Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: |
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My July '55, October '55, and January '56 busses all had the later style bulbholder when found. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69820 Location: Phoenix Metro
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zimblewinder Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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My Euro 58 has the early type as above. _________________ 58Euro 23 343208 The Ultimate Zimblewinder Machine.
59 mango standard
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Rain's Westy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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I have seen the "early type" bulb holder on german market cars in the 56-57 era .
I suspect the bayonet brake light bulb holder was a Canada and US market thing for some reason wile the older barndoor type continued to be used over the ocean...
thoughts? |
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zimblewinder Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Aussie busses have the early model too until at least 58 _________________ 58Euro 23 343208 The Ultimate Zimblewinder Machine.
59 mango standard
Wanted- splash pan supports, og pressed bumper coach bolts, ivory blaupunkt knobs (early), armrest alloy strips, NOS door mechanism |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69820 Location: Phoenix Metro
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thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 5943 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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mike spadafora wrote: |
I have seen the "early type" bulb holder on german market cars in the 56-57 era . |
For the record, those are called 'festoon' bulbs. _________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
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g shepherd Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2003 Posts: 90 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
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jerry.t Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2003 Posts: 1442 Location: okc ok
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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g shepherd wrote: |
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My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid. _________________ 1957 euro oval
1958 standard euro bus
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campingbox Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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jerry.t wrote: |
g shepherd wrote: |
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My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid. |
Brakelight decklids went up to April '58 for the semaphore models. My '58 Westy is about 200 VIN #'s past the change. =( |
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jerry.t Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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campingbox wrote: |
jerry.t wrote: |
g shepherd wrote: |
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My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid. |
Brakelight decklids went up to April '58 for the semaphore models. My '58 Westy is about 200 VIN #'s past the change. =( |
damn just missed it, may 58 here. but i still want one _________________ 1957 euro oval
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mightymouse Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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jerry.t wrote: |
g shepherd wrote: |
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My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid. |
Seems to be a helluvalot of confusion about 3rd light lids anyways, always has been. We know what/when they mainly came on in the US, but overseas, per country, theres some crazy stuff that went on.
My fav is the dollar tail busses that came with 3rd light lids. there have been quite a few found over the years. i wish i knew how many weeks they did that for, cant be for very long. prob april and may. LOL. _________________ Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
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campingbox Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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mightymouse wrote: |
My fav is the dollar tail busses that came with 3rd light lids. there have been quite a few found over the years. i wish i knew how many weeks they did that for, cant be for very long. prob april and may. LOL. |
I don't think that combination existed, but I'd love to see you prove me wrong. |
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Brian_1952 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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campingbox wrote: |
mightymouse wrote: |
My fav is the dollar tail busses that came with 3rd light lids. there have been quite a few found over the years. i wish i knew how many weeks they did that for, cant be for very long. prob april and may. LOL. |
I don't think that combination existed, but I'd love to see you prove me wrong. |
That is real hard to do..because you are the master _________________ (20-024785)Ambulance (20-037784)truck (20-035850)panel
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Stocknazi Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I have a euro November 58 and it has the ealier style brakelight as well _________________ WANTED:
58 Westfalia cabinet knobs (3 needed), roof rack, and (7) privy tent poles (silver painted).
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BeaterBarndoor Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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EverettB wrote: |
Thanks campingbox.
Here's a photo of the earlier style for reference
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what i am curious about is the brakebulb contact base. in this photo it is a plastic round base(which ricardo has repop'd according to this one i guess)
any "real" brakelight contact bases i have noticed were always like the photo of the later one above using a fiber board base.
is this one here a fake as well? _________________ www.thebustransfer.com
Whaaaaat? |
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campingbox Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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BeaterBarndoor wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
Thanks campingbox.
Here's a photo of the earlier style for reference
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what i am curious about is the brakebulb contact base. in this photo it is a plastic round base(which ricardo has repop'd according to this one i guess)
any "real" brakelight contact bases i have noticed were always like the photo of the later one above using a fiber board base.
is this one here a fake as well? |
The one pictures is a NOS unit, but it is a later replacement and differs from the original in several ways. |
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