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happyhippo
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 Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Decklid center brake light style changes |
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Hey folks,
Everett and I were exchanging some emails about decklid brakelight styles. Seems there is no definitive posting on when the style changed from the barndoor style to the later, 56-57 style (pictured). The change probably happened sometime in 1955, but does anyone know the correct month that the change was made?
Early style
Late style
NOS late style
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Rain's Westy
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| my bus ( Wolfsburg production Jan, 56) chassies # 1624XX used the later bulb holder as pictured above . |
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campingbox
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| My July '55, October '55, and January '56 busses all had the later style bulbholder when found. |
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zimblewinder
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My Euro 58 has the early type as above.
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Rain's Westy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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I have seen the "early type" bulb holder on german market cars in the 56-57 era .
I suspect the bayonet brake light bulb holder was a Canada and US market thing for some reason wile the older barndoor type continued to be used over the ocean...
thoughts? |
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zimblewinder
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Aussie busses have the early model too until at least 58
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thom
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| mike spadafora wrote: |
| I have seen the "early type" bulb holder on german market cars in the 56-57 era . |
For the record, those are called 'festoon' bulbs.
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g shepherd
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
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jerry.t
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid.
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campingbox
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| jerry.t wrote: |
| g shepherd wrote: |
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| My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid. |
Brakelight decklids went up to April '58 for the semaphore models. My '58 Westy is about 200 VIN #'s past the change. =( |
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jerry.t
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| campingbox wrote: |
| jerry.t wrote: |
| g shepherd wrote: |
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| My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid. |
Brakelight decklids went up to April '58 for the semaphore models. My '58 Westy is about 200 VIN #'s past the change. =( |
damn just missed it, may 58 here. but i still want one 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| jerry.t wrote: |
| g shepherd wrote: |
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| My Euro 58 has the early type as above. |
Same with my Euro Sept 56. |
funny, lind and everet have both told me that my 58 euro wouldn't use a brake light deck lid. |
Seems to be a helluvalot of confusion about 3rd light lids anyways, always has been. We know what/when they mainly came on in the US, but overseas, per country, theres some crazy stuff that went on.
My fav is the dollar tail busses that came with 3rd light lids. there have been quite a few found over the years. i wish i knew how many weeks they did that for, cant be for very long. prob april and may. LOL.
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My fav is the dollar tail busses that came with 3rd light lids. there have been quite a few found over the years. i wish i knew how many weeks they did that for, cant be for very long. prob april and may. LOL. |
I don't think that combination existed, but I'd love to see you prove me wrong. |
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My fav is the dollar tail busses that came with 3rd light lids. there have been quite a few found over the years. i wish i knew how many weeks they did that for, cant be for very long. prob april and may. LOL. |
I don't think that combination existed, but I'd love to see you prove me wrong. |
That is real hard to do..because you are the master
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I have a euro November 58 and it has the ealier style brakelight as well
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Thanks campingbox.
Here's a photo of the earlier style for reference
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what i am curious about is the brakebulb contact base. in this photo it is a plastic round base(which ricardo has repop'd according to this one i guess)
any "real" brakelight contact bases i have noticed were always like the photo of the later one above using a fiber board base.
is this one here a fake as well?
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campingbox
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| EverettB wrote: |
Thanks campingbox.
Here's a photo of the earlier style for reference
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what i am curious about is the brakebulb contact base. in this photo it is a plastic round base(which ricardo has repop'd according to this one i guess)
any "real" brakelight contact bases i have noticed were always like the photo of the later one above using a fiber board base.
is this one here a fake as well? |
The one pictures is a NOS unit, but it is a later replacement and differs from the original in several ways. |
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