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npbusguy Samba Member
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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i re-wrapped the ones on my 59. they are fiberglass mesh (this is an often debated issue, Lind did some research).
if you go to the gallery and search the word: re-wrap
by submitter: hazetguy
you will see what i did on my bus. it is still in the same condition today. _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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npbusguy Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2006 Posts: 1658 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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hazetguy wrote: |
i re-wrapped the ones on my 59. they are fiberglass mesh (this is an often debated issue, Lind did some research).
if you go to the gallery and search the word: re-wrap
by submitter: hazetguy
you will see what i did on my bus. it is still in the same condition today. |
Jon, These pictures are great. How did you clean the wrap?
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: |
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i used warm water, a soft bristle brush, maybe a little soap? i don't recall. gentle scrubbing. rinsed with low pressure water from a hose, left in the sun to dry. i was not going for full "show" quality, i just wanted the dirt out of the mesh. i also think that the aluminum could have been replaced with new foil, but i was not that concerned at the time.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63363
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=200877 _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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sled Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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I know this isnt exactly what you want...but it might be cool to wrap the heat tubes first in some new, much more effective material..then put on a wrap of original material so it would appear 100% correct. The condition of the original material would not be as crucial and the heat would work better (although Im guessing this bus will not be used in conditions where good heat would be a necessity) _________________ drive your split. |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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sled wrote: |
I know this isnt exactly what you want...but it might be cool to wrap the heat tubes first in some new, much more effective material..then put on a wrap of original material so it would appear 100% correct. The condition of the original material would not be as crucial and the heat would work better (although Im guessing this bus will not be used in conditions where good heat would be a necessity) |
I've done this before. I use that bubble wrap insulation stuff and it does make a noticable difference. The P.O. for our blue '56 subhatch wrapped the heater tube several times with various coverings and it works great. |
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npbusguy Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2006 Posts: 1658 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I just spent a little time looking at the McMaster Carr book here at the office. They list several different styles of fiberglass heat wrap and at least one style has a foil liner. If the original wrap material I have is in poor condition, I may try ordering some of the new stuff. It seems to come in 40 or 48" wide rolls and is ordered by the foot. If I go that route, I will post some pictures of what I come up with. I couldn't find the band clamps in the big yellow book though, does anyone have the part numbers for them?
I don't mind driving the bus in cold weather but it will not see the salted streets of Chicago again. I do wish I was more concerned about salt 20 years ago when I first got the bus. |
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Douglas Denlinger Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2003 Posts: 1382 Location: Arizona's version of the east coast
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have used the foil lined wrap several times, most recently on the 58 ghia vert. It's the bomb I'll never spend time trying to clean up og again. The og clamps can be bead blasted, then CAD plated. _________________ Transporter Restorations
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xavi_242 Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2005 Posts: 1672 Location: Barcelona (SPAIN)
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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I will go for an improvement and thena stock looking over it.
(let me be the 1st in this thread to say that your bus will be a best in show for sure ) _________________ 1967 Split SO-42 Dormobile |
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OCTOman Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 364 Location: HB, CA and LHC, AZ
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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For the clamps, I have them for $2.50 / each. You get one buckle and one strap for that price. They are new and are the same size (9mm) as the orginal. I needed them for my 55 deluxe.
For the wrap, I used the foil backed fiberglass material from McMaster Carr part #87715K49.
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npbusguy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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OCTOman wrote: |
For the clamps, I have them for $2.50 / each. You get one buckle and one strap for that price. They are new and are the same size (9mm) as the orginal. I needed them for my 55 deluxe.
For the wrap, I used the foil backed fiberglass material from McMaster Carr part #87715K49.
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Not the best photo of the long center tube but I thought I would post this photo her of the wrap style on my '63 15-Window Deluxe, it is more of a grey vinyl.
From another thread regarding the style on a '67 (same as my '63):
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Your should be gray plasticky vinyl. There are two short pieces, one long piece, and one front piece.
From inside to outside, they have several inner layers of what appears to me to be plain fiberglass cloth like you would use if you were making a fiberglass boat, followed by a thin layer of fluffy fiberglass batting (not sure where you would get that, but you could substitute something else as long as it was inorganic), followed by the vinyl itself. The total thickness is not much.
Get some vinyl and fiberglass, bust out the sewing machine and make yourself the covers you need.
The covers use a weird sort of a clamp called a copiglia clamp. You can still get them. |
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BulliBill Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2004 Posts: 4573 Location: St Charles, MO
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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npbusguy wrote: |
OCTOman wrote: |
For the clamps, I have them for $2.50 / each. You get one buckle and one strap for that price. They are new and are the same size (9mm) as the orginal. I needed them for my 55 deluxe.
For the wrap, I used the foil backed fiberglass material from McMaster Carr part #87715K49.
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Can anyone provide a good "how-to" verbal description (maybe with photos?) of the procedure of attaching those bands around the covered tube, how to thread the bands thru the clamps and then tightening are was done originally? I'll be doing this soon with one of Neil's kits, and like having instructions handy. Thanks!
Bill _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
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far rider Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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X2 on the clamp how to and
Wrapping the heater tube is obviously going to cause moisture on the tube, is something like Por 15 the best protection for the tube itself? _________________ 67 zenith blue sunroof
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24764 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Jack-Fatboy wrote: |
Hello
I'm looking for any information about this material?
What was this grey vinyl?
I don't have it in hand so could you help me?
Is this material the same as in bay window buses or not?
Oh I must forgot what year the factory started wrapping the heating tube in this grey vinyl?
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The above from another post:
Our DEC62 built 1963 model SC does not have the grey vinyl on the heat tube insulation. Vinyl should be same thru the late 1970s, but was heat sealed. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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MrBusCo Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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BulliBill wrote: |
Can anyone provide a good "how-to" verbal description (maybe with photos?) of the procedure of attaching those bands around the covered tube, how to thread the bands thru the clamps and then tightening are was done originally? I'll be doing this soon with one of Neil's kits, and like having instructions handy. Thanks!
Bill |
Yes, here is the instructions I include with the heater wrap kits.
As for using POR15 on the tube, It wouldn't hurt. If you're POR15'ing the underside, might as well do the tube. They lasted quite some time without it though! _________________ Josh The Bus Guy formerly known as JOGR
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Das67bus Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: Unwrapped Tube |
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If you aren't using the heater and have closed the heater flaps, would it be advantageous to unwrap the tube to avoid any rust issues with the tube?
If I understand the concept, the wrap is to help transfer heat to the cab, right? I don't need the heat.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Do not think it will be a big problem with rust in your area. Having spent a few year in Abilene TX out East of you. Plus sooner or later you are going to need heat. Have driven thru an ice storm to Houston and thru -6F weather going to Corpus Christi to find the bay freezing over. Plus plenty of cool 40 F morning drives.... _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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BulliBill Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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JOGR wrote: |
BulliBill wrote: |
Can anyone provide a good "how-to" verbal description (maybe with photos?) of the procedure of attaching those bands around the covered tube, how to thread the bands thru the clamps and then tightening are was done originally? I'll be doing this soon with one of Neil's kits, and like having instructions handy. Thanks!
Bill |
Yes, here is the instructions I include with the heater wrap kits.
As for using POR15 on the tube, It wouldn't hurt. If you're POR15'ing the underside, might as well do the tube. They lasted quite some time without it though! |
Awesome. Now due to the illustration, I think I know how to thread the straps. Having never applied one of these types of straps before, is there any tips or tricks to using these? Looks like you might have to have some "slack" in the strap before threading the strap thru the cotter pin and then twisting it tight. How much slack? Can having too much slack or extra length be a problem? I think you ought to post up a simple, brief how-to video on Youtube for the novice installer, you know, show us and talk us through installing and tightening those clamps... Just a suggestion.
Thanks again for the above info and illustration!
Bill Bowman _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
Thanks for any help! |
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