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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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Here's the link to an interesting article I chanced upon recently, whilst surfing the Internet:
'Cool' Car Engineers Test Ventilated Seats And Thermal-Acoustic System To Make A/C Energy-Efficient
http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2006/0901-cool_car.htm
« September 1, 2006 - Engineers at a national lab have shown that small fans embedded in car seats could help cool passengers down -- saving up to 7 percent of the 30 to 40 gallons of gasoline per year an average driver consumes for powering air conditioning systems. »
« The average driver uses 30 gallons to 40 gallons of gasoline each year just running the car's air conditioning. That adds up to seven billion gallons of gas annually. At the Department Of Energy's National Renewable Energy Lab, engineers are researching ways to cool the people in the car rather than the entire car. »
« Mechanical engineers at NREL are researching ways to reduce gasoline consumption while increasing passenger comfort. First, solar reflective glass keeps the parked car cooler when passengers first get in. Then, small fans in ventilated seats pull hot air away from the seat's surface. The ventilated seats pull air through your clothing, causing your sweat to evaporate and using the body's natural mechanisms to cool itself. »
« They estimate if all passenger vehicles had ventilated seats alone that would save 7 percent of fuel used for air conditioning. And reducing the amount of fuel used for AC by 7 percent a year would save 522 million gallons of gasoline a year in the United States. »
The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc., contributed to the information contained in the TV portion of this report.
Note: This story and accompanying video were originally produced for the American Institute of Physics series Discoveries and Breakthroughs in Science by Ivanhoe Broadcast News
http://www.aip.org/dbis/
« Discoveries and Breakthroughs Inside Science provides twelve 90-second reports (in both English and Spanish) for subscribing local TV newscasts all over the United States. Accurate, scientifically reviewed and reliable, DBIS brings the latest science, engineering, math and technology news to a general audience that is underserved with quality science reporting. »
« Supported by a coalition of scientific and engineering professional societies and a generous contribution from the National Science Foundation, DBIS promotes awareness of and appreciation for the role science, technology, engineering and mathematics professionals play in our daily lives. » _________________ Regards.
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drscope Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Ok, so I use 40 gallons a year to run the AC. this will save me 7% or 2.8 gallons. Gas is now costing me around $3.75 a gallon. So rounding up to a savings of 3 gallons, this fan in the seat will save me $11.25 a year.
I'm going to have to keep this car a long time to pay for that $700 option.
Wouldn't thier time be better spent trying to figure out how to keep tires inflated? Or how to rid the highways of Escalades with just one occupant? _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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drscope wrote: |
Ok, so I use 40 gallons a year to run the AC. this will save me 7% or 2.8 gallons. Gas is now costing me around $3.75 a gallon. So rounding up to a savings of 3 gallons, this fan in the seat will save me $11.25 a year.
I'm going to have to keep this car a long time to pay for that $700 option.
Wouldn't their time be better spent trying to figure out how to keep tires inflated? Or how to rid the highways of Escalades with just one occupant? |
I believe their intention wasn't just to increase vehicle fuel-use efficiency, but also to improve driver and occupant comfort, by increasing the effectiveness of the overall air-conditioning system.
That's extremely cheap for gasoline, at the moment, but in the not too distant future, it's likely to become much more expensive and/or rationed! How does US$37·50 per US gallon appeal to you!?! According to one article I've read, it's quite an effective means of combatting the increasing obesity problem.
Leonard Doyle, "Rising petrol prices could force obese Americans to hit the street", The Independent, Thursday, 13th September 2007.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/r...02197.html
« For overweight Americans relief is on the way, in the shape of ever-higher petrol prices. Getting out the car to drive downtown for a super-sized plate full of fatty fast-food is the highlight of the day for many Americans. The result is a public health crisis with four out of 10 American adults already overweight or heading that way. »
« After consuming mountains of chips, fried meat and baked goods all washed down with corn-sweetened soft drinks, overweight Americans then worry which best-selling diet book will help them see their toes again. It turns out that higher petrol prices can slim down more than the wallets of the overweight. »
« The ever-rising cost of filling up their cars is prompting millions of Americans to pack their own lunch and walk to the bus. The statistics are dramatic: they show that when petrol prices have risen in the US, obesity has shown a corresponding fall of as much as 10 per cent according to a new study, A Silver Lining? The Connection between Gas Prices and Obesity..... »
Keeping one's vehicle properly maintained, isn't "rocket science", including checking tyre pressures at least once per week and before each long journey. Besides that, I believe that all modern North American cars, now feature mandatory real-time tyre-pressure monitoring systems and that similar after-market systems are available for retro-fitment.
I wouldn't recognise an Escalade if I saw one! Is it some strange North American gasoline-guzzling model, which manages less than 35~40 mpg? The easy way to inhibit low-occupancy vehicle use, is to set road-use pricing, which decreases as occupancy levels increase! _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
http://www.vwt2oc.net
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George Evans Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Another book educated bean counter without common sense. |
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ubercrap Samba Moderator
Joined: July 01, 2004 Posts: 1060 Location: Ridley Park, PA
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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NASkeet wrote: |
Besides that, I believe that all modern North American cars, now feature mandatory real-time tyre-pressure monitoring systems and that similar after-market systems are available for retro-fitment.
I wouldn't recognise an Escalade if I saw one! Is it some strange North American gasoline-guzzling model, which manages less than 35~40 mpg? The easy way to inhibit low-occupancy vehicle use, is to set road-use pricing, which decreases as occupancy levels increase! |
Tire pressure monitoring standard? I hadn't heard of that, but my newest vehicle is 8 years old, so maybe. A regular Escalade gets like, what 8-12mpg or something? I think there is a hybrid version coming that will get 20mpg highway?
Road use pricing? Hah! No chance in hell over here. _________________ '74 412 wagon
(2) '74 412 2dr. sedan
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32598 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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ubercrap wrote: |
......... is to set road-use pricing, which decreases as occupancy levels increase! |
Road use pricing? Hah! No chance in hell over here.[/quote]
Ok,
Don't be so quick to say Never!!
Never say Never.
When I was a kid in school in the 50's and 60's they told us that one day we would all be PAYING for Television!
Our little heads knocked this concept around and could not come up with a way to make us pay for something that we pulled off the air waves for free!
Little did we know or even conceive of a Cable to bring TV to one's house or a Satellite (sputnik was a new and worthless experiment at the time) beaming down TV shows to our roof tops.
Another example of technology taking our money....
Car tolls, easy to beat, but an East Coast thing. No one ever dreamed of video cameras recording you running a toll booth.
EZ Pass, was not even a concept and we could never envision the ability to give the a highway commission money without having any money or even stopping to pay someone! Paying a toll at 65 MPH was unimaginable!
Today I do it on a semi regular basis and I pay for TV.
Don't be too cocky that your car registration isn't going to end up with a one person surcharge someday because some yet to be implemented piece of wireless technology tells the state that you drive 60% of your time with the passenger seat empty and your driving habits are only yielding 14 MPG's!
Can you say OnStar? The technology is already in many GM cars.
Big brother is watching and he will be taking your money!
Dave _________________ Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473
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hazetguy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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none of my vehicles have air conditioning. _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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melville Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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hazetguy wrote: |
none of my vehicles have air conditioning. |
Nor do mine. I'm strictly 2-60. _________________ 2000 M Roadster
79 R100RS
78 R100/7
75 R75/6
65 Standard Micro
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notchback Insensitive Jerk
Joined: December 16, 2003 Posts: 7024 Location: Behind the Zion Curtain
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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djkeev wrote: |
Ok,
Don't be so quick to say Never!!
Never say Never.
When I was a kid in school in the 50's and 60's they told us that one day we would all be PAYING for Television!
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Today I do it on a semi regular basis and I pay for TV.
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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hazetguy wrote: |
none of my vehicles have air conditioning. |
I rarely use the A/C when I have a vehicle equipped as such. I use 2/75 air. _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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Desertbusman Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2005 Posts: 14655 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?!
This Wednesday will probably be our last 100 degree day this year. It will be the 107 day of triple digit this summer. So the need for A/C is over until next April. Although whether we needed it or not very few of our bugs and busses have it anyway. If they did, it wouldn't be something you would want to overload your engine with when it's 110 or 118. On our hottest days there are many traffic problems with stalled cars (new cars- water cooled). The news will report that tow trucks are not available and they are backed up for hours. And then the news advises prevention of stalling by turning off A/C and turning on the heater to pull heat out of the engines. _________________ 71 Superbug
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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George Evans wrote: |
Another book educated bean counter without common sense. |
If I'm not mistaken, the term "bean counter" is vernacular for an accountant, who as a profession are said to "know the cost of everything and the value of nothing".
djkeev wrote: |
ubercrap wrote: |
......... is to set road-use pricing, which decreases as occupancy levels increase!
Road use pricing? Hah! No chance in hell over here. |
Ok,
Don't be so quick to say Never!!
Never say Never.
When I was a kid in school in the 50's and 60's they told us that one day we would all be PAYING for Television!
Our little heads knocked this concept around and could not come up with a way to make us pay for something that we pulled off the air waves for free!
Little did we know or even conceive of a Cable to bring TV to one's house or a Satellite (sputnik was a new and worthless experiment at the time) beaming down TV shows to our roof tops.
Another example of technology taking our money....
Car tolls, easy to beat, but an East Coast thing. No one ever dreamed of video cameras recording you running a toll booth.
EZ Pass, was not even a concept and we could never envision the ability to give the a highway commission money without having any money or even stopping to pay someone! Paying a toll at 65 MPH was unimaginable!
Today I do it on a semi regular basis and I pay for TV.
Don't be too cocky that your car registration isn't going to end up with a one person surcharge someday because some yet to be implemented piece of wireless technology tells the state that you drive 60% of your time with the passenger seat empty and your driving habits are only yielding 14 MPG's!
Can you say OnStar? The technology is already in many GM cars.
Big brother is watching and he will be taking your money!
Dave |
Already in Great Britain (in time, it will probably become European wide), the police have vehicle registration-number recognition cameras, interfaced with a computer database, about whether those vehicles have valid insurance and a valid roadworthiness (i.e. annual MOT inspection) certificate.
If not, you will be pursued and prevented from continuing to drive it from that point onward, until you can convince them that you have valid documentation. If it's not insured and hasn't been issued with a valid MOT certificate, your vehicle is liable to be towed away and crushed! _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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ubercrap wrote: |
NASkeet wrote: |
Besides that, I believe that all modern North American cars, now feature mandatory real-time tyre-pressure monitoring systems and that similar after-market systems are available for retro-fitment.
I wouldn't recognise an Escalade if I saw one! Is it some strange North American gasoline-guzzling model, which manages less than 35~40 mpg? The easy way to inhibit low-occupancy vehicle use, is to set road-use pricing, which decreases as occupancy levels increase! |
Tire pressure monitoring standard? I hadn't heard of that, but my newest vehicle is 8 years old, so maybe. A regular Escalade gets like, what 8-12mpg or something? I think there is a hybrid version coming that will get 20mpg highway?
Road use pricing? Hah! No chance in hell over here. |
A hybrid car which returns a meagre 20 mpg. I would expect something closer to 50 mpg!
You really ought to read these articles then!
Kurt Kleiner, “Infrared 'vision' promises more road tolls”, Cars and Motoring, Special Reports, New Scientist, 30th July 2007.
http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/mo...tolls.html
« A computer vision system that automatically counts the number of people inside a vehicle could make it easier to charge road tolls based upon the number of occupants, and monitor high-occupancy vehicle lanes, researchers say. »
Phil McKenna , “Under-inflated tyres take toll on lives and fuel”, Cars and Motoring, Special Reports, NewScientist, 8th March 2007.
http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/mo...-fuel.html
« A quarter of US citizens are driving cars with severely under-inflated tyres, resulting in hundreds of road fatalities and over a billion gallons of wasted petrol each year...... »
« ..... Starting in September 2007, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) will require auto manufacturers to install tyre pressure monitoring systems in all new vehicles. »
« The ruling was issued in 2002 after more than 250 fatal crashes involving tyre failures in under-inflated Firestone tyres. The new monitors will alert drivers with a dashboard indicator when a tyre falls 25% or more below the recommended pressure..... » _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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thewalrus Big Jack
Joined: March 27, 2006 Posts: 3014 Location: Belchertown, MA
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: Re: Reducing automotive air-conditioning need!?! |
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djkeev wrote: |
Don't be too cocky that your car registration isn't going to end up with a one person surcharge someday because some yet to be implemented piece of wireless technology tells the state that you drive 60% of your time with the passenger seat empty and your driving habits are only yielding 14 MPG's!
Can you say OnStar? The technology is already in many GM cars.
Big brother is watching and he will be taking your money!
Dave |
I believe that. My friends 2009 Toyota Corolla has some weight sensor in the passenger seat that knows if somebody's sitting there and if they're buckled in or not. I have the same buckling sensor in my 2000 Pontiac but only for the driver side. The bad thing is he's in school so when he puts his book bag in the passenger seat the car flips out thinking that someone's sitting there unbuckled!! _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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Jimmy111 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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If the car has airbags it has a sensor in the seat that indicates if someone is sitting in it or not. All new cars have sensors mounted in the rims that monitor tire pressuresend it to the main computer in the car. It will be very easy to install a cellular transmitter in the car and report all speeding violations changing lanes without signaling and carpool violations to the police and allow them to shutdown your car if you havent paid tickets or if they are chasing you.
There are congressmen right now lobbying for just this technology to be installed in all new cars. |
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