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dillon schuh
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 Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Help!! i cant make up my mind |
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Im thinking of selling my 04 gli and just driving my notch every day. I cant keep paying this 350 a month. Cool car but expensive.
Does anyone know where i can get a fuel injected turbo motor for my 67 notch? Am i stupid for wanting that and driving it every day? Im just tired of going slow in that car. Dont worry I dont want to cut any part of my notch to fit something in. Just want to go fast. any help would be great |
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ah the paradox that every man must face... more power :::grunt grunt grunt::: or practicality..... you could split the difference and go with a Normally aspirated engine... like a 1914 , stock stroke , large pistons... lots of low end torque if you choose the right cam....
get rid of the water pumper... and if you cant afford 350 a month how are you going to afford a 6-7K motor??? sounds like robbing peter to pay Pual...
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Help!! i cant make up my mind |
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| dillon schuh wrote: |
Im thinking of selling my 04 gli and just driving my notch every day. I cant keep paying this 350 a month. Cool car but expensive.
Does anyone know where i can get a fuel injected turbo motor for my 67 notch? Am i stupid for wanting that and driving it every day? Im just tired of going slow in that car. Dont worry I dont want to cut any part of my notch to fit something in. Just want to go fast. any help would be great |
How fast do you want to go? My notch went 75mph and my square cruises at 80mph. They are both stock engine set ups, reliable too!
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dillon schuh
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I want to go fast not only crusing on the freeway but quick if i ever did the 1/4 mile. proply wouldnt do that tho. If im going to buy a new motor i should just get what. I really want to be faster than my buddies sti. So I want to be that fast:)
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I really want to be faster than my buddies sti. So I want to be that fast:)
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Sounds to me like there's more to this story than you wanting to sell a car. Build something reliable and swallow your pride. Sounds to me like you're young. There'll be lots of time later in life to go fast. Hopefully, by then you'll be able to afford both. But not having a reliable car for daily life is a bitch.
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dillon schuh
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| your post says you have a 2110 in your notch. how is that? You like it |
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Tram
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| your post says you have a 2110 in your notch. how is that? You like it |
There will be some who say differently, but nothing is as reliable in the long run as a stock 1500 or 1600. If you're going to DD your Notch, don't even THINK of the 1/4 mile. Anyone who would 1/4 mile their only daily- driver car should have it taken away. That's not what your Notch was designed for.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... You want a Porsche? GO BUY ONE!
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| I've said it before and I'll say it again... You want a Porsche? GO BUY ONE! |
Heh, if he can't pay $350 he isn't buying a Porsche anytime soon. 
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dillon schuh
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| Im just a 20 year old with stupid ideas. Well is the 2110cc idea stupid? It cant be that bad. Or just keep the 1600 that needs no work ever. All I do to that car is pour oil in it once and a while. Runs great |
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| your post says you have a 2110 in your notch. how is that? You like it |
I too am curious but would like to know about 1776, 1904, 2110, etc... What sort of HP difference do you see?
I'm also curious if anyone has used a megasquirt.
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Tram
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| dillon schuh wrote: |
| Im just a 20 year old with stupid ideas. Well is the 2110cc idea stupid? It cant be that bad. Or just keep the 1600 that needs no work ever. All I do to that car is pour oil in it once and a while. Runs great |
I know that isn't the answer you wanted, but it is the answer. 
Fix the oil leak, do a full service, keep up on the maintenance, and drive. You'll appreciate the MPG when gasoline goes thru the stratosphere again. Plus, IMHO and from what I've seen, stock T3s always sell faster and for more than modified cars.
Don't even lower it if you're going to drive it daily.
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| dillon schuh wrote: |
| your post says you have a 2110 in your notch. how is that? You like it |
I too am curious but would like to know about 1776, 1904, 2110, etc... What sort of HP difference do you see?
I'm also curious if anyone has used a megasquirt. |
I'm in the (very slow) process of planning out a megasquirt controlled engine down the line that will go into my square.
the engine would be a 1776 T3 based engine, using stock D-jet parts (mostly) with a custom air filter/intake pipe that would allow for some new throttle bits as well as a MAF sensor.
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grethi
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It's worth more as a stocker. It works more reliably as a stocker. It's a better DD as a stocker.
the larger engines will give you more brute power, but will not be as reliable. Speaking from experience, if it's your only car, don't do modifications that'll break down and put the car out of service for more than a day off.
Besides, unless you're well geared for midnight engine reconstruction in the driveway, it's best not to push your luck.
Megasquirt and other FI upgrades are great, but they get expensive quick. Especially for those of us who aren't adept at creating a OBD1/OBD2 computer.
When my square (and the fasty before it) was running fairly reliably it could cruise at 75 just fine on the highway with a factory FI motor.
Edit: the only time I hit 80 the car felt like she was going to fly apart. We were going downhill, with a good curve at the end. I didn't have enough faith in the old tires to turn and not slam into the oncoming traffic on the other side of the median. I don't know what San Diego is like, but around here there isn't much space for "fast," so why bother?
The car was strong, sturdy, got an average of 32mpg in mostly city driving. I was 20 myself when I ran the fasty as my DD; nothing like roaring past Honda Civics at will on the highway in a 35-40 year old car! Factory 1600 with FI and an automatic, never had a honest problem with the performance.
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I agree with Tram. A nice stock, reliable & easy maintenance Notch will suit you much better as a daily driver. My Notch is NOT a daily. It's a toy, a hobby...a fun car. It's been "done" for over a year and I've got less than 1K miles TOTAL on her. Yeah, the engine is quick and it's VERY fun to drive, but it also takes maintenance/upkeep and those dual Webers go thru gas. I've got a nice reliable Ford pickup as my daily and a work car from my employer.
I was young once too, and I had a reliable 1600 in my bug 'cause that was my ONLY car. It had to get me to work, get my kid to the doctor, get my wife to the store etc. I finally sold it and bought a decent Honda Accord as my daily. If you want to go fast know that you'll pay the price in reliablility, cost etc and a turbo engine...yikes.  I can only imagine. You're young. Keep on stroking in life and eventually, you'll be able to have a nice daily AND a go fast for fun. Patience grasshopper. I sound like your dad...
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grethi
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| dillon schuh wrote: |
I really want to be faster than my buddies sti. So I want to be that fast:)
I really hate those cars and all the rest of them |
I'd love for my little DD Impreza to be in that category, but you need to realize: for the Subaru guys without factory STi cars that have that level of performance, we have to invest some $8-16k in parts and service. That's why most of the Subaru crowd advocate suspension and brakes first. Learn the car, learn the habits, and then start playing with it.
There's a New Zealand car that's on the Subaru forums right now that he made an effort to upgrade the suspension and weight balance with a 2.0L N/A engine (120 crank hp, 2900lb car). What does he get for his efforts? A station wagon that can run the mountain passes with the turbo-based WRXs 5 years newer and still get 30mpg (WRXs average 18-20mpg).
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Have you tried the classifieds?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=246616
1st picture in the 4th row.
It's carbed instead of FI, but every T3 owner will tell you how superior dual carbs are anyway.
You'll probably want to add 17" wheels, freeway flyer, and a narrowed T1 front end to get the most out of it.
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hey i hate to just drop in like this, but a WRX sti does a quartermile in 15.5 seconds when i saw it run and that was the car off a friend. so that may not be the best time it can do. i myself have a fastback with a 1776 engine that has run 16.5 and it is not the best car to drive everyday and i do it anyway. i hope to get my stock squareback asap back on the road to make that my daily driver. there are options to have a quicker and better type3 as stock, i have to say that, maybe a lot off people disagree, but it won't do good 1/4mile times. stay with the concept off the original car and have some mods done to give it some extra 'kick', but that will almost always be expensive and in your case not come close to beating your friends. BUT driving a type3 every day will give you a kick that is bigger as getting stuck in traffic in a sti in my opinion.
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It's worth more as a stocker. It works more reliably as a stocker. It's a better DD as a stocker.
the larger engines will give you more brute power, but will not be as reliable. Speaking from experience, if it's your only car, don't do modifications that'll break down and put the car out of service for more than a day off.
Besides, unless you're well geared for midnight engine reconstruction in the driveway, it's best not to push your luck.
Megasquirt and other FI upgrades are great, but they get expensive quick. Especially for those of us who aren't adept at creating a OBD1/OBD2 computer.
When my square (and the fasty before it) was running fairly reliably it could cruise at 75 just fine on the highway with a factory FI motor.
Edit: the only time I hit 80 the car felt like she was going to fly apart. We were going downhill, with a good curve at the end. I didn't have enough faith in the old tires to turn and not slam into the oncoming traffic on the other side of the median. I don't know what San Diego is like, but around here there isn't much space for "fast," so why bother?
The car was strong, sturdy, got an average of 32mpg in mostly city driving. I was 20 myself when I ran the fasty as my DD; nothing like roaring past Honda Civics at will on the highway in a 35-40 year old car! Factory 1600 with FI and an automatic, never had a honest problem with the performance. |
I agree completely with your statement, and for novices who only want to change the oil getting anything other than a bone stock engine is just asking for a headache.
as for me, I've been daily driving my current car for almost two years now, and before that I have/had several other aircooled VW's that I DD for several years.
when it comes to my T3 though, there are certain wear items that after 40+ years are simply no longer cost effective to keep replacing.
ie. the MAP sensor and wiring harness in my square. they're in arguably good condition, but one of these days they are prone to fail, and when they do, where am I going to find replacements? People are looking NOW for "C" Map sensors and nobody can seem to find any good ones. Wiring harnesses? forget it. those harnesses are stone age technology to begin with, so if I was gonna spend the time/dough to make a new harness, I'd be using L-jet injector connectors and doing all sorts of upgrades.
that all takes time, and lots of money.
for a fraction of that cost, I can buy off the shelf GM sensors, Harness, etc, and build my own ECU that will control fuel, spark, and have knock sensing and wideband O2.
at that point, the only time spent will be in the final tune, which once set I can just forget about it.
I love my T3, and plan on daily driving it forever, which is why when I build my 1776, I'm going with megasquirt and a slightly modified stock D-jet set up.
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Have you tried the classifieds?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=246616
1st picture in the 4th row.
It's carbed instead of FI, but every T3 owner will tell you how superior dual carbs are anyway.
You'll probably want to add 17" wheels, freeway flyer, and a narrowed T1 front end to get the most out of it. |
I hope that was all sarcasm.
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grethi
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I agree completely with your statement, and for novices who only want to change the oil getting anything other than a bone stock engine is just asking for a headache.
as for me, I've been daily driving my current car for almost two years now, and before that I have/had several other aircooled VW's that I DD for several years.
when it comes to my T3 though, there are certain wear items that after 40+ years are simply no longer cost effective to keep replacing.
ie. the MAP sensor and wiring harness in my square. they're in arguably good condition, but one of these days they are prone to fail, and when they do, where am I going to find replacements? People are looking NOW for "C" Map sensors and nobody can seem to find any good ones. Wiring harnesses? forget it. those harnesses are stone age technology to begin with, so if I was gonna spend the time/dough to make a new harness, I'd be using L-jet injector connectors and doing all sorts of upgrades.
that all takes time, and lots of money.
for a fraction of that cost, I can buy off the shelf GM sensors, Harness, etc, and build my own ECU that will control fuel, spark, and have knock sensing and wideband O2.
at that point, the only time spent will be in the final tune, which once set I can just forget about it.
I love my T3, and plan on daily driving it forever, which is why when I build my 1776, I'm going with megasquirt and a slightly modified stock D-jet set up. |
I'd love to build a OBD2 wiring harness, and attach it to my factory FI setup, but I'll be the first to state that I don't know how to construct a OBD2 ECU. Especially if I have to do it from scratch. That and I'm too broke to do it... For both dillon and I it's not as much a question of worth as it is cost. There's a reason I'm on my 3rd used type 3 motor in 4 7years. None of them were "piston out the side" problems, but they had severe enough leaking and other wear to be retired for an eventual rebuild.
I remain limited to basic main't at my place because the constraints of my living situation will not let me do a proper tear down or anything other than main't and on occasion something dramatic as an engine swap (listen to my family, it's the end of the world!). Maybe Dillon's in the same boat; he didn't say.
I laugh: all the ads are pushing how cars now have direct-inject FI, but we drive cars that are 35-40 years old with direct-injection...
The STi is a rally car; drag racing isn't it's forte. Go hit some winding 2-lane roads somewhere; that's where the car comes alive. Especially on a windy dirt road.
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