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gimmesomeshelter Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2004 Posts: 1466 Location: San Carlos, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Question for Okrasa owners |
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Hello-
I was adding up how much my Okrasa project will cost me, and I'm starting to wonder if it will be worth it (performance wise).
From a performance perspective, what's it like to drive a car with an Okrasa engine? Is it similar to a DP 1600?
If you had to buy/build an Okrasa engine again, would you do it?
If you bought/built one again, what would you do differently?
For the record, my plan it to build an Okrasa engine with an emphasis on drivability and longevity. I plan on keeping the heavy flywheel, installing a counterweighted 74mm Porsche crank, 77 stroker pistons, a mild cam, 28 blade fan, Berg sump, full flow filter, and a 019 distributor.
Thanks,
Paul _________________ "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
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joe h. Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2005 Posts: 782 Location: Seattle, Wa
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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I was adding up how much my Okrasa project will cost me, and I'm starting to wonder if it will be worth it (performance wise). |
Huh?
You cannot get modern day performance from a 36hp case.
Yes, you could get very similar performance from a 1600 at a fraction of the price.
Thats just not what it's about. |
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oval56 Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 1309 Location: oktoberfest maintown
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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okrasa engine???
only the heads and rest as discription???
i do had built an 36hp wit custom machinen heads, a cam, 74mm crank and higher compression lighter flywheel
the engine runs great, better than a stock or 2carb 36hp engine but to get a comparison to a stock 1600 engien is really difficult....
if you built this engine you need also a drillend flywheel matchin to that 8 dowel porsche crank, also longer pushrods, also 356 conekting rots with custm bushings (porsche has a 22mm bolt, vw 77mm pistons 20mm)
also spacers are required (10-12mm on each side) and on and on
if you are interested look on my website ( sorry in german) and follow the restauration on my 57 ->part / teil 17... and you will see how many work it is... in stalling a 1600 is much easyer an cheaper, but i think this is not the goal _________________ www.oval56.com
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1957 Oval Ragtop 1584ccm singel port modified
1950 Hebmüller, 1584ccm okrasa modified
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Agave58 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2008 Posts: 1190 Location: Central California
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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joe h. wrote: |
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I was adding up how much my Okrasa project will cost me, and I'm starting to wonder if it will be worth it (performance wise). |
Huh?
You cannot get modern day performance from a 36hp case.
Yes, you could get very similar performance from a 1600 at a fraction of the price.Thats just not what it's about. |
I thought the same thing? The Okrasa is not about trying to stay up with the larger motors like the 1600's its all about the vintage aspect of it? If one were to want to run a Okrasa setup strictly for performance in the area of a 1600, your wasting your time and money. _________________ 1958 Agave Beetle (0\_!_/0)
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JorgeDavidson Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2008 Posts: 358 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think you better ask Ricardo (splitpartsunlimited) _________________ 1957 Oval Window - Polar Silver L324
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water guy Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2008 Posts: 463 Location: Puyallup Washington
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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I gotta say I love my Okrasa!! For me, its the fact that not everyone on the block has one. If I want speed, I'll take my wifes 4 motion Passat for a drive. Now thats v-6 power! A 36 hp Okrasa is impressive, but it is what it is. I'm in to my motor $8000.00. That kinda hurt to type! Thats for buying the kit from "Wiggy", having a case built with n.o.s. parts, and all tin powder coated. Do I think it was worth it, yes. I dont care about resale value. This motor is not or. to the car. There are alot of people on this site that beat up someones dream car cause it doesn't have the correct smell to it. If you want speed, a Ford f-150 would do better! But if you want to drive in style, I'd persue finishing it. It puts a smile on my face to listen to a 36 hp "cam out' at idle! Words from a landscaper trying to move up to the Porsche forum!! _________________ '55 Porsche Continental
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gimmesomeshelter Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2004 Posts: 1466 Location: San Carlos, CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Hello-
Let to take a moment to clarify my question.
If I wanted a 'performance' engine, the last place I would look would be to an 'old speed' (OS) engine like an Okrasa. I want to build an OS engine because I want something period correct, I want a challenge, and I want something faster/more fun to drive than a bone stock 36hp.
At the same time, I’m aware the finished product will be, at best, a well tuned 60HP engine, and I would like to avoid the ‘is this it?’ feeling when I’m done.
For all you OS owners, if you had to describe the ‘performance’ of your engine to a typical ACVW driver, how would you do it?
Thanks,
Paul _________________ "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
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Wiggy Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 6601 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Compared to 36hp, its a huge difference. It aint fast, but I can climb hills without always shifting. The Abarth gives the illusion of even more power. I would describe it as a much more comfortable and fun drive than the standard 36hp and worth it in my opinion. I think this engine will go in one of my cars until I am out of the hobby. Its awesome in my ghia and gives the car the performance it needs for the lines the car has. _________________ Kevin "Wiggy"
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Eric Outland Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2004 Posts: 407
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Eric (VMR) |
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I like what Agave had to say! in a Nut Shell=he's Right on the Money!
It's like entering your own Time Capsul. stepping back about 43 years or so. Putting the key in the ignition, and knowing you have a sooped up flat four Okrasa with an Okrasa pumper under the hood, and that Abarth ready to let you know its Party Time( Or Judson in My preferance)! turning the igniton on smelling that Vintage Bug smell as she roars into existance of Poetry in Motion. Yep Doesn't get much better than that in my opinion. Eric (VMR) |
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horatiocaine Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2004 Posts: 207
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: |
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I had an okrassa in a Hebmuller. It was Awsome. The sound of the vintage dual carbs sucking air through the rear vents. The added power. It was like having a stock 1600 power band, but it was a vintage period engine. |
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9915 Location: idaho
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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okrasa same power as a 1600 at ten times the price.
and yes, I will be puting an okrasa into my oval. _________________ .
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36hplandspeedracer Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 847 Location: Ivins, Utah
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Linds Oval |
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And Lind, we expect to see that oval on the salt some day.
Burly |
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