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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone able to find a price? I'm wondering if that is a proprietary rack or something off the shelf from another car. The mount is pretty straight forward.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone able to find a price? I'm wondering if that is a proprietary rack or something off the shelf from another car. The mount is pretty straight forward.


Hi, the price is 595 euros complete kit.

you can make your own because the rack is the same in vw polo mk1,2,3,86,derby.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fattie wrote:
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any year.all ball joint front ends only Exclamation
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how much is that in american? a uro is worth more than a dollar isnt it? or am i backwards?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

595 euro is about $783 USD
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yes you can email them through this. ask them if we could do a group buy so we could have a discount Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did anyone get one yet or figure out if one off of another car would work? we dont have the polo here so is something else interchangeable?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a Polo rack off German Ebay. Total cost including shipping was $130. I'm currently welding the mount and modifying my steering column. I also had to buy the rack clamps and tie rod clamp from a german parts store. (I had no luck trying to buy the clamps from UK used parts stores)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

got some pix of your progress to share ?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone asked about R&P from another vehicle. In another forum I read R&P's from J-body GM's work well for our application.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fattie wrote:
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I just finished running a rally in Missouri, so I now have the energy to post some photos. I'm working on a blog post, so look for them in a few days.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have since changed the way the tie rods attach to the clamp bracket. When I first drove the car I had some bad bump steer, so I moved the tie rod heim joints to the underside of the bracket and that eliminated most all of the bump steer. I get just a bit at full droop and bump. About 75% of the travel is no bump.

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I had a hard time finding the clamp bracket and the pipe clamps. I wanted to buy some used ones from a UK VW polo forum but no one would ever reply to me. They have crap loads of old cars and everyone was parting out stuff but they never wanted to deal with me. So I finally had to end up buying cheap OE parts from some german VagCat website. The shipping was 4 times the cost of the parts! And I bought the rack from some german guy off ebay.de for about $70 brand new.

I ran the 100 Acre Wood rally this past fall with the new setup so it's rally proven. We got 2nd place out of 11 group 2 cars for both days. Feels good to beat teams with a 40 year old car with carbs. Wink

I attached the steering rack quickener inside of the car and hacked up the stock column. I used Woodward Steering u-joints, weld-on spline adapters and some 4130 steel tubing. You can't believe how nice this feels. I get two turns lock to lock and I have maybe 1/4" of freeplay at the steering wheel where the old setup was 1.5-2"! I trashed the stock worm & roller box in only a race or two.

Tie rods are 6063 aluminum tube. McMaster-Carr 1658T53. 7/8" OD, .219" wall. Drilled out for 14mm heim joints. I'm using stock bug ends. Rally isn't baja, so I don't think I'll need huge Ford or International ends.

Rack: 867419065

http://eshop.original-teile.de/index.php?force_sid...=867419065

Parts blow up:

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http://cgi.ebay.de/LENKGETRIEBEMECHANISCH-VW-DERBY-POLO-86C-/300424807456

http://eshop.original-teile.de/

ONE each: 871419313 MITNEHMER (the clamp that attaches to the end of the rack, which holds the inner tie rod ends)
TWO each: 867419743 SCHELLE (clamps that attach the rack to the car)

Used Racks:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Lenkgetriebe-Lenkung-VW-POLO-86...518cdf7d95

http://cgi.ebay.de/Lenkung-Lenkgetriebe-Lenkkopf-G...1c12c70354

Another part # for the rack.
867419105 Lenkgetriebe
http://www.cnzjch.com/eproduct_show.asp?sort=37
http://shop0443-01.carlakatalog.de/index.php/product/29719/133/mapco-lenkgetriebe.html
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that actually is nearly the same R&P housing....I think.... that went into the rabbit/golf mk-1 in the mid 70's to about 1982-83 I think.
In that car it was 3.2 turns lock to lock. Of course rhat will also matter what length teh steering knuckle attachment points are. The longer the knuckles...the shorter teh turn # lock to lock. With beetle style steering knuckles...2.0 to 2.5 turns sounds about right.

The unfortunate issue is that not very many manual racked vehicles survive in this country...so replacement parts are actually not cheap if you can find a rebuilt rack.
Right now, Rockauto has remans from $153 to $241 outright. Ray
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raygreenwood wrote:
Yes, that actually is nearly the same R&P housing....I think.... that went into the rabbit/golf mk-1 in the mid 70's to about 1982-83 I think.

I don't think it's the same thing. The Golf Mk1 was larger. The Polo was smaller and the rack mounted to the firewall.

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In that car it was 3.2 turns lock to lock. Of course rhat will also matter what length teh steering knuckle attachment points are. The longer the knuckles...the shorter teh turn # lock to lock. With beetle style steering knuckles...2.0 to 2.5 turns sounds about right.

I've got a 1.5:1 quickener and get 2 turns lock to lock.

raygreenwood wrote:
The unfortunate issue is that not very many manual racked vehicles survive in this country...so replacement parts are actually not cheap if you can find a rebuilt rack.
Right now, Rockauto has remans from $153 to $241 outright. Ray


I bought it new from a german guy for $70 on ebay. Not a reman.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool....but you should check out the mark 1 rack anyway if you have time. It should be able to be used readily after removing the mount ears if you don't need them. Its another option.
Also bear in mind.....1.5 turns is nifty for working in the sand. But that will literally kill someone on the street. Those who are building street vehicles would be insane to run less than 2.0 turns lock to lock. Ray
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raygreenwood wrote:
Cool....but you should check out the mark 1 rack anyway if you have time. It should be able to be used readily after removing the mount ears if you don't need them. Its another option.
Also bear in mind.....1.5 turns is nifty for working in the sand. But that will literally kill someone on the street. Those who are building street vehicles would be insane to run less than 2.0 turns lock to lock. Ray


Mine is NOT 1.5 turns. It's got a 1.5:1 ratio quickener attached to the steering column which makes it 2 turns lock to lock. And no it's not dangerous on the street.

I still can't see how a Mk1 Golf rack would work. Isn't it too wide? The polo rack is end load, which keeps the tie rods in the middle for better geometry and reduced bump steer. The Mk1 rack would require really short tie rods.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Broke my rack :( Reply with quote

I broke my rack at the last rally. I ran off road, flew over a culvert sideways, took out about 3 or 4 saplings and hit a tree stump with my right front wheel.

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I bought a used rack off of the German Ebay.

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