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GrindGarage Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 710 Location: Ocean City, NJ
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Turbo 2.1 WBX |
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Been thinkin about putting a small turbo on my 91 Auto.... Run a small t25 where the muffler lives... draw through the Flap door and add a little fuel enrichment with a 10:1 FMU... thinking about 5-7 psi of boost... small intercooler mabye a front mount like the vette setups (turbo in place of muffler)... figured it would be great with my auto always spinning around 2500 where most turbos kick in... anyone try before???
-cliff
91 vanagon auto
91 325 turbo megasquirt
72 bmw 2002 (my reliable car)
82 honda 650sc |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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It's been done, not so much stateside but often on the other side of the Atlantic. Peruse ShoptalkForums Waterboxer/oxyboxer forum for examples. The 1.9 is a better candidate engine, though. 8.3:1 CR vs. 8.9 for the 2.1. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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tclark Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2005 Posts: 926
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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http://www.aatransaxle.com/turbo.htm
according to his last entry he is going ferd zetec & his waterleaker turbo set up is up for grabs |
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: |
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tencentlife wrote: |
The 1.9 is a better candidate engine, though. 8.3:1 CR vs. 8.9 for the 2.1. |
In the 240 volvo world it was assumed for a long time that the NA redblocks were not good candidates for turbos because of their higher compression, but after a few guys tried it they found they run great with 9.5:1 compression, just have to make sure you have some sort of boost timing retard, Megasquirt is a good option, which is what a lot of the volvo guys run. I've always wanted to try out a J&S safeguard ignition system, timing is continually adjuster on a per cylinder basis, max power and economy. _________________
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Just depends on how much boost you aim to use. The OP had very moderate goals in mind so which engine to base it on makes much less difference, although in any case beginning with a bit lower CR forestalls the need for timing and/or mixture compensations. But one thing with boost is that once you have some, you'd like some more, so a lower native CR leaves more headroom for that.
The other advantage a used 1.9 has is the lack of the rod-bolt weakness that plagues the 2.1's, at least until they've been rebuilt and had it addressed. More boost=more stress=hastening the time when an OEM 2.1 bottom end will approach failure. The 1.9's are nearly indestructible in this regard. But again, it all depends on how much boost you aim to use.
And finally, the 1.9 uses Digijet, which has an independent ignition system, so ignition tweaks can be done that can't be managed on a Digifant, if the need arises. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I think for a low boost application you would probably be fine using a 2.1. 8.8:1 on only 5-6 lbs of boost has been done successfully on other types of engines. If you go much above that, though, the need for fuel enrichment will become an issue. It's important to remember that a Vanagon uses a non-knock sensor ignition. It'd definitely be a 92 octane only engine, with the max boost and ignition advance tuned just below the knock threshold.
I'd like to see a turbo wbx built. Someone should do it.
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Joined: November 16, 2007 Posts: 332 Location: Cow County, UK
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