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16CVs 
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 Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: 2.1 failure |
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God awful ugly engine. looks like one I had before,given to me with a bunch of other Vanagon parts,when the engine was torn down there was nothing savable. All garbage.
It is my thought that rod bolt failures are generally from engines that have been rebuilt and not had the rod bolts changed. I have seen a ot of high mile 2.1's that have well over 200 K and they are very nice inside just bearing to the copper.
I bet if you chased the history on most of these engines with chucked rods,you'll find a rebuild somewhere down the line.
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ftp2leta
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: 2.1 rod bolt faliure autopsy photos |
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Recently aquired 90 automatic.
Blown engine
Suspect rod bolt fatigue faliure. Went to drain the oil and found ___none. At all. The PO complained about some "whine/buzzing noise" from behind the dash. So after consulting his Bentley he bypassed the oil warning circuit to make it go away.  While draining the coolant I find it is blue. Now I'm thinking no pitts to the heads (AMC). Wrong, the entire coolant system has evidence of corosion apperently caused by this blue "coolant"
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I got block, i need a van! a nice Carat like yours 
I have an STI project that should be ready in a month or so...
so 2 block for your van.. he he he.
If it had no more oil don't blame the rod...
I have 4 block with hole in it... i found a reason for all of them, all oil related (bore hole plug gone, oil pressure sender failure, oil cooler failure, oil filter failure.)
Blue coolant as nothing to do with that, coolant come in all colors from many company, believe me!
AMC head are not that better... they corrode like the VW one if not well sealed. I have seen my share of corroded AMC head. You know what, the more i think about it they are probably worse than the german one that lasted for more than 20 years. I still use them with German valve because i won't pay 700$ at the dealer for POORLY reman VW.
Well sealed with good valves they should be ok for 50-80k miles, no more. Sorry. At least i have better hope as to crack!
The Victor REINZ gasket or ELRING won't last forever.
If it's not the gasket, it will be a bore hole plug that will just get the hell out of your block and your engine will bleed to death.
Sorry but i have been there to many time.
I agree that a well maintain, well built Wasser boxer engine could last a long long time... but sadly, who will maintain and built them!
Van are sold over and over, one guy does a trip, as problem, sell the van... new owner fix minimum problems, a few trip, sell the van.... over and over.
It's a sad truth.
Ben
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OilNBolts
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: 2.1 rod bolt faliure autopsy photos |
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Please ignore this post... 
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Captain Pike
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: 2.1 rod bolt faliure autopsy photos |
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Engine was "rebuilt" by someone. |
"We don't get excited when it crumbles and breaks, we just get on the phone, and call up some flakes"..
FZ |
Who rush on over and break it some more and we're so dumb there lining up at our door____________well the water pump started leaking yesterday afternoon_____but the mechanic ate a bunch of mushrooms_______________ 
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OilNBolts
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: 2.1 rod bolt faliure autopsy photos |
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Engine was "rebuilt" by someone. |
"We don't get excited when it crumbles and breaks, we just get on the phone, and call up some flakes"..
FZ
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ebennett
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: 2.1 rod bolt faliure autopsy photos |
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| Bill W wrote: |
Recently aquired 90 automatic.
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I guess you picked up Art's bus, at least whats left of it
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Captain Pike
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: 2.1 rod bolt faliure autopsy photos |
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Recently aquired 90 automatic.
Blown engine
Suspect rod bolt fatigue faliure. Went to drain the oil and found ___none. At all. The PO complained about some "whine/buzzing noise" from behind the dash. So after consulting his Bentley he bypassed the oil warning circuit to make it go away. While draining the coolant I find it is blue. Now I'm thinking no pitts to the heads (AMC). Wrong, the entire coolant system has evidence of corosion apperently caused by this blue "coolant"
The exhaust system was some cat bypassed franken-pipe.
So no O2 sensor ___at all___nada__just a plug with a green wire next to it hanging in space.
Engine was "rebuilt" by someone. Heads replaced with AMC heads but not the valves.
Installer tanked the Green ring
Left crap in the engine
What is left of #2
More when I get inside.
Who has a 2.1 short block?
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