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gimmesomeshelter Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2004 Posts: 1466 Location: San Carlos, CA
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: How big of an engine can oval vents support? |
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Hello-
I purchased a copy of Desktop Dyno, and as you might expect, my dream engine is getting bigger and bigger. My current darling has a 74mm stroke, 80mm pistons, and 38/31mm valves. I'm concerned that my oval era engine vents aren't capable of supporting the larger fan, carbs, and higher RPM's. Assuming that I don't cut any extra holes, or install any tennis balls, how large of an engine will an oval's vents support?
Thanks,
Paul _________________ "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
Richard Feynman
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TWD Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2004 Posts: 976 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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I had to prop open the bottom of the lid to get enough air into my '54 Bug with a mild 1776. |
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Eaallred Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2003 Posts: 5756 Location: West Valley City, Utah
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Consider that for a bone-stock 1600cc dualport, VW had the louvers under the rear window, four sets in the decklid, then an additional vent behind the rear license plate.
Again, for a bone-stock 1600cc dualport, VW eventually ended up finding it necessary for that much intake area into the engine bay.
So from VW's standpoint, a stock bodied oval window bug wouldn't be able to make use of extended HP use with anything larger than stock without increasing it in someway or another.
Now, put-putting around town and short bursts of power will work fine with larger motors, but nothing extended. _________________ Eric Allred
You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; Jealousy you have to earn. |
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water guy Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2008 Posts: 463 Location: Puyallup Washington
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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I find this interesting. If I have a 36hp Okrasa in a 60 bug with a conv. decklid, could this set-up not allow the engine to get to its operating temp.
I would think it would be the lesser of two evils to run a little warm? At least in sunny Washington state. I think having a oil temp gauge would be a smart thing to have. _________________ '55 Porsche Continental
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Eaallred Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2003 Posts: 5756 Location: West Valley City, Utah
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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water guy wrote: |
I think having a oil temp gauge would be a smart thing to have. |
Oil temp gauge will only tell you the temp of the oil unfortunatly. A cylinder head temp gauge is the way to go if you want to know how hot the engine is actually running.
Reason being, you can add oil coolers to a motor to bring oil temps down. But if you do this while running a cylinder head temp gauge, you will see that no matter how much cooling you add to the oil, head temps are unaffected by it.
A head temp gauge is invaluable on these motors. VDO makes one that works 'okay'. I use it in my race car since it doesn't get driven in 'extreme' temps, so the readings are fairly accurate. Dakota Digital makes a nice digital unit that is temp compensated so that it does read accurate regardless of what the ambient air temp is. There are some aircraft gauges that also have the compensator and also avaliable in 1, 2, and 4 cylinder "all in one" gauges. Whatever head temp gauge you use, put the sender under the spark plug for a useful reading. _________________ Eric Allred
You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; Jealousy you have to earn. |
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