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islandghia Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 94
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:42 am Post subject: M codes |
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Model 143
M 759 Cannot be identified _________________ 1967 Karmann Ghia - Bought 20+ years ago
1967 Karmann Ghia - Bought 2+ years ago |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13952 Location: Southampton U.K.
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abgwin Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2004 Posts: 1490 Location: Toledo, oHIo
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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John Moxon wrote: |
Do any of the Ghia guru's know why there are so many "Cannot be identified" M numbers.
In what way are they unidentifiable...can the record not be read or are they simply not recorded.
These options were obviously available from the VW agent when the car was ordered...by that token they must be written down somewhere. |
Often the physical records are deteriorating to the point that the details aren't legible.
My 66 Type 34 had M code 452 that could not be identified, and I grilled Heike about why. The paper is in poor condition, but she also hinted that the 400 range was used for various options by dealers.
My suspicion is that it was a dealer-installed US equipment package (since my Ghia was completely US spec) that was ordered with the car but not installed until the car was to be shipped to the US, since mine was driven in Germany for nearly two years. However, I have no proof of this. _________________ Siglines don't hurt people: people hurt people. |
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InSaNeBoY Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2004 Posts: 313 Location: Portland, ME
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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mine didn't have any M codes. did the older birth certs not have that info? _________________ 2015 Jetta S
1998 Chevy AstroAWD
*ghialess* |
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:20 pm Post subject: M Codes |
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Mine is an Australian delivery early 1963 model (built 25/10/62)
M009 Yellow tail lights
M020 MPH speedo
M108 Custom Model
M187 Headlamps for left-hand traffic (ie RHD)
M554 Upholstery Leatherette Red
M008 Cannot be identified
Love to know what the M008 is. I don't think there was a lot of variation in specifications of the Australian delivery cars - there weren't that many of them. Basically a RHD euro-spec car.
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smuenchrath Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2005 Posts: 371 Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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My Birth Certificate came with M357 - US Equipment (68 Ghia Vert)
I noticed it didn't appear anywhere in this thread or any of the links provided. I assume its closer to M355 perhaps... _________________ 68 Ghia Regatta Blue Convertible
69 Ghia Toga White Coupe
74 Westfalia |
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FiremarshalBill Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2009 Posts: 232 Location: Pacific Northwest
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: |
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The birth certificate for my 1970 convertible, model 141 041 says:
M 002 US-equipment
M128 White wall tires
M 261 Additional rear view mirror, right _________________ Firemarshal Bill
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible
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kohi30 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2004 Posts: 29 Location: Fallon, Nevada
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: translation |
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lajs57 wrote: |
Can a german speaker please translate:
"Karosserie Unterteil",
"Sitzfarben Stoff",
" Stoffbezug",
"wahlweise Kunstleder",
"Kunstlederbezug" and
"Der Farbindex ist aus einer Original Farbkarte und kann leider nicht genauer aufgeschlüsselt werden"
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"Underbody parts,"
"Seat fabric colors,"
"Fabric"
"optional leatherette"
"Leatherette" and
"The color index is from an original color chart and unfortunately can not be broken down more precisely |
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bob-on Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 69 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Type 141, L431 Bernina, Built 28th Jan 1959 and left factory on 29th Jan 1959, Country of destination: England
M-codes;
M108 - Custom model
M139 - Sealed beam headlamps and red rear lamp lenses
M582 - Top cover Black
M597 - Upholstery leatherette blue
M951 - Exterior rear view mirror
M355 - US Equipment
M008 - cannot be identified
Dealer converted to RHD upon arrival in England 1959. |
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philermonic Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2010 Posts: 361 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: '62 Ghia M Codes |
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M 128 White Wall tires
M 355 US-equipment
M 556 Upholstery leatherette Silver Beige
M 194 cannot be identified _________________ "A camel is a horse designed by a Committee" |
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philermonic Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2010 Posts: 361 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: '62 Ghia M Codes |
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philermonic wrote: |
M 128 White Wall tires
M 355 US-equipment
M 556 Upholstery leatherette Silver Beige
M 194 cannot be identified |
Model 143 VW Karmann Ghia Coupe
34 BHP, 1.2 liter
L 456 Ruby
Built November 14, 1962
Shipped 20 November 1962 to NY, NY _________________ "A camel is a horse designed by a Committee" |
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philermonic Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2010 Posts: 361 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: '62 Ghia M Codes |
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philermonic wrote: |
philermonic wrote: |
M 128 White Wall tires
M 355 US-equipment
M 556 Upholstery leatherette Silver Beige
M 194 cannot be identified |
Model 143 VW Karmann Ghia Coupe
34 BHP, 1.2 liter
L 456 Ruby
Built November 14, 1962
Shipped 20 November 1962 to NY, NY |
M 350 US Equipment _________________ "A camel is a horse designed by a Committee" |
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ghi66 Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2010 Posts: 69 Location: Caldey Island
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, on my 1966 i have a list of M 007, M 008, M 103, M 105 and a M 230 cannot be identified. Country of destination was S.Africa. Passenger ejector seat for m 007 |
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ghi66 Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2010 Posts: 69 Location: Caldey Island
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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^^^ Sorry, think i missed the reason for this link. If anyone does know any of these codes that would be cool. |
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analengineguy Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 82 Location: Versailles, Ky
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Mine came today. Pretty speedy since I ordered it just a couple of Sundays ago...
The best news is that I have the original engine, so we are numbers matching!
Built and shipped 2/64. Destination: San Fransisco.
Manila yellow with black leatherette. (L560] Yes, I know this isn't an interior thread, but I wonder if that is all black, or with off white door panel trim and possibly off white seat upholstery. The unrestored 1964 Ghia convertible in the Gallery appears to have a contrasting door panel insert and seat uoholstery. The color brocures here show all black.
Options:
M128 Whitewalls
M194 Additional mirror, outside right, convex (I assume the orientation is looking at the car from the front?)
M355 US equipment
Seatbelts with retractor
MPH-speedometer
Sealed beam headlamps
Hazard warning system
Without flasher
Laminated windscreen
Ram protection
Reversing light
12 volt system (standard)
12 volt system (US-epuipment)
The M355 equipment brings up some questions. Looking at the list, I wonder if it is and upgraded US spec from the standard? It does have seatbelts (not required on US cars for the 1964 model year- maybe built ahead to meet the upcoming regulations for all 1965 cars?)
Is the hazard warning without the signal flasher? (What in the world would that be? Hmmm...) Or without the headlight flasher?
Reversing light- I suppose I need to look for a switch, or a switch mount in the transaxke?
The 12 volt system was unexpected. Bentley does mention a 12v option with a list of parts. I suppose one could tick that off on the list and have 12v instead of the standard 6v? |
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ghiaguy21 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: 1959 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet Birth Certificate |
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So I just got my birth certificate for my 1959 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet. It was built on February 2nd 1959 and delivered on February 3rd 1959. It was delivered to Mahag in Munich, Germany. Mahag is a dealership that is still in existence today. They have multiple dealerships in the Munich area. I'm happy to say that the engine number and chassis match. Here are the M-codes that were listed:
M 139 Sealed Beam Headlamps and Red Rear Lamp Lenses
M 355 US-Equipment
M 578 Top Cover Sand Beige
M 592 Upholstery Leatherette Red
M 951 Exterior Rear-View Mirror
For the M 355 US-Equipment it lists the details of what came with with the package. It includes the MPH-speedometer, Sealed-Beam Headlamps, Hazard Warning System Without Flasher, Laminated Windscreen, Ram Protection, Reversing Light, 6 Volt-system (standard), 6 Volt-system (US-equipment)
Unfortunately, the info says that the color couldn't be determined. The body color of the car in its current state is pearl white. I don't think the color was ever changed. All the hardware and panels seem to match too well to have been a different color. In the car's current state, I don't think it ever had a restoration. I am questioning several things with the info I have. First, is the top cover the actual roof color of the car or just the cover that goes over the top when the top is down? I ask because every picture of pearl white cabrios I have seen have always had a black top. Has anybody else seen any documentation showing a different color top on a pearl cabriolet? I am wanting to keep the car's colors original. Second, did the early Ghias actually come with hazard lights and reverse lamps on the US package or did VW lump all the features from multiple years? If the early Ghias did have those features, does anybody have pics of what they look like? Thanks, Craig |
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Pat KG Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2012 Posts: 180 Location: VA
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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What is a "birth certificate"? I bought my 74 Ghia cabriolet brand new in Sept of 1974. What should I look for? |
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ghiaguy21 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Pat KG, the birth certificate is something you can get from VW. It shows the date the car was built and where it was delivered. It will also show options that came with the car. Since you bought your car new from the dealership, I doubt there's much you'd learn from the purchase of the certificate. The price for the VW Museum certificate is 50 Euros which is about $63 at the moment. If you'd like to see more about it check the link I posted below:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95862 |
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awbghias Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Maryland, USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: translation |
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lajs57 wrote: |
Can a german speaker please translate:
"Karosserie Unterteil",
Autobody lower part
"Sitzfarben Stoff",
Seat color material
" Stoffbezug",
material cover
"wahlweise Kunstleder",
optional leatherette
"Kunstlederbezug"
leatherette cover
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"Der Farbindex ist aus einer Original Farbkarte und kann leider nicht genauer aufgeschlüsselt werden"
"The Color index is from an original color card and can unfortunately not be decoded more exactly"
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VW-Gasser Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 204 Location: Quincy MA
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
my Aug 1968 KG has:
M002 US-equipment
M128 white wall tires
M466 cannot be identified
Best
Karsten _________________ -- www.vw-gasser.de -- |
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