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Franklinstower
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BlackDog,
Can you take a measurement of the minimal inside diameter a rim must be to fit over this setup? A have 16" Passat rims, but if BuildYourOwns don't fit over his 16" A4 Sport Rims, they may not fit over my Passat rims.
that being said, I would have to go with the 288mm rotor and modified bracket.
thanks,
Paul
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BlackDogVan
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BlackDog,
Can you take a measurement of the minimal inside diameter a rim must be to fit over this setup? A have 16" Passat rims, but if BuildYourOwns don't fit over his 16" A4 Sport Rims, they may not fit over my Passat rims.
that being said, I would have to go with the 288mm rotor and modified bracket.
thanks,
Paul |
Just went & measured. My A4 Audi 16x7 et 45 spare is 14.2 wide measured at the mounting face. I figure it rubs by .1. With spacers I think it would be fine as the ID grows towards the rear lip quite a bit.
Anyone with a 16"wheel handy reading this please pipe in with your ID at the mounting face. It would be great to find the right wheels, Dingchowping what was yours? |
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tripod808
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What kind of ford calipers have you used? I have a whole bunch of ford ranger calipers..
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Looks like there are more than enough upcoming options for rears from Bern or a914622 with... ahem... ford calipers... (sorry Loogy). What are they like, cheap & easy to find everywhere? Where's the fun in that!
Making rear kits does not interest me & wasn't the original intent of my post. Also making something to fit under a 14" wheel really isn't my bag, I want 14" rotors not wheels! Maybe if I was a business I would do what everyone else wants....
That said I promised my buddy I'd make him some rear brakes from the '05 Allroad rear calipers that match my fronts, 255x10 rotors. When I do that I'll take a tonne of pics, keep track of the bits & pieces I use, share everything I learn & post an ad for the adapters. If that sounds good start looking for 2005 allroad rear calipers. Mine were off a BiTurbo V6 model, the V8 models were different. If Bern chimes in or JCL's kit gets dialed in the meantime jump on it, I would!! |
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buildyourown
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WLD*WSTY
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: DIY BIG brake kits - May 2009 edit |
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Does anyone need a pair of G60's for this conversion? I've found a few sets of good used ones with carriers, will be selling for $150 + shipping. Pmail if interested.
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ensafer
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Hi.
Regards from Spain, my name is Quique, I'm the owner of a 1990 Multivan Syncro, converted to high roof, m-Tdi and Mercedes G wheels.
I've searched a lot for big brakes (I'm running 225/75/16) and landed here.
I've seen lots of conversions (porsche, Mercedes s600, Jaguar, Audi... calipers), and I think that 312x25 with Girling 60 are the best compromise on and offroad (I really dont need 330x28 with 4 pistons in a diesel syncro, and 280 seems small for 16 wheels), so I'm pretty interested in getting these drawing to make the adapters locally.
I've sent a MP to Blackdogvan but not sure it he has received it, or if that's the correct way to get them.
Sorry for my awful English and congratulations for this great forum.
A picture of my syncro:
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BlackDogVan
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I think you will need the next revision of this design to fit under your 16" wheels. I plan on making this change this fall if you can wait. It'll be a minor change to the adapters & instructions on making wee bit of clearance on the G60 calipers to decrease their mount radius by approximately 1/4". From measuring the ID of any & all 5x112 16" wheel I could find it should be happy for all.
Could someone with a set of 16" steelies measure the ID at tje mounting face for me?
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BIRD84WESTY
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: Small Car vs BurleyMotorsports Rear brakes |
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| Just curious if anyone has compared the rear disc brake set ups from Small Car and BurleyMotorsports. Cost, ease of install, etc. I have recently upgraded to a Zetec engine, with bigger wheels and tires on my 2WD Westy, and am thinking about upgrading braking. Thanks. BIRD |
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ensafer
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I think you will need the next revision of this design to fit under your 16" wheels. I plan on making this change this fall if you can wait. It'll be a minor change to the adapters & instructions on making wee bit of clearance on the G60 calipers to decrease their mount radius by approximately 1/4". From measuring the ID of any & all 5x112 16" wheel I could find it should be happy for all.
Could someone with a set of 16" steelies measure the ID at tje mounting face for me? |
Yes, of course I can wait, no problem. Thank you for your work.
While waiting I think I'll move on top of the "to-do" list the new suspension. I think I'll go for the new Trailmaster +2 inches kit.
By the way if you explain me what is "ID at tje mounting face" I can measure my Mercedes G-wagen wheels. They are 6,5x16 and I think the offset is 47mm. I have 22mm front spacers and 27mm rear spaces. |
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jaaano
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Hi I'm new forum user .
After a long search finally I meet this topic about connection Girling 60 and 312 mm brakes rotor, but this topic does not explain the details of adapter.I need diagram, drawing and dimensions of this adapter and what kind and typ car’s rotor 312 mm was installed.
I want to upgrade the front brake system with 312 mm disc and calipers Girling 60 because the current set of 280 mm rotor and g60 is insufficient and does not work properlly in an emergency braking from high speeds, brake pads burning and rotors minimally twisted.
Moreover the whole system works very well with normal speed because I have already in the car bigger brake servo from vw t4 and a larger pump 25.4 ,rear discs 259 mm and obviously good work ABS without errors.
My car is VW Passat b4(35i) 96' tdi with european engine specification AFN.
It is after tunning on 200hp/410 Nm-
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.615184218499830.1073741838.348076501877271&type=3.
Soo anybody help me ? |
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secondtimer
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Thank you for your information on big brakes. I would appreciate the actual dimensions or drawings you made for the adapter.
Have you designed your own adapter for I4 applications? |
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512dude
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: DIY BIG brake kits - May 2009 edit |
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BlackDogVan,
I am trying to mount G60s on my 2WD with 276mm Audi rotors and seem to be having fitment issues.
I assemble the Van Cafe South African hubs on to the spindle and fit up the rotors. When I go to see where the hanger brackets would attach there is no room for the bracket to fit between the rotor and the mounting points. It seems like the whole hub needs to move outboard or that a spacer needs to be placed between the hub and the rotor to give clearance for the assembly.
Do you have any details on the stack up for this assembly so that parts fit?
I can provide some x-sectional illustrations if that helps.
THanks!
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**edit May 21, 2009**
So an update on this subject. I've installed a few G60 caliper / A8 rotor brake kits & so far they are really great. The only thing more I want to do is make a rotor centric spacer to center the rotor perfectly. Here's a few more pics of what I put on my own van. You can see the dust shield on the pics for an idea of the original rotor size & those are 17" wheels. My 16" alloys fit. 15's no way, this is a BIG brake kit! Pedal feel is fantastic, the stock master cylinder is fine & my dog (guess what, he's black) gives me the stink-eye when I grab a bit too much...
After some thought & many inquiries I've decided that the best thing to do with this is not sell parts to people. What I will do is give the drawings away & ask for a donation of whatever you think it was worth to you.
You can use the drawings to make your own parts or have them made. Even having a machine shop do some work for you is cheaper than buying a kit in my opinion. Maybe I just know too many machineists who work for beer. If you get together & do a group buy it would be nice to get a kick from all the buyers, I think it would be a great way to cut down the costs & don't want to manage it myself. Drop me a fresh PM if you're interested.
I have drawings to make hubs from a vanagon rotor, the G60 caliper adapters and the spacers. For all the guys who PM'd looking for rears I'll make some rear adapters in the fall or later if I get sent to the Arctic. (by the way the Russians had absolutly no idea where they were when they planted that flag but maybe thats not related to this post...)
The reason i won't sell parts & all drawings will be titled "barbacue pivot" or "Radio Flyer wagon wheel" is I really don't need to get involved in someones lawsuit when they rear end a schoolbus full of nuns & blame their brakes etc... PS if you do use any of this you will die along with everyone you know.
A few notes on the setup -
Girling G60 calipers. There were a few different iterations of these calipers but they all fit as far as I know. Some were for a forward mount & some were for a rear mount & the big piston was swapped around. Rear mount would be better
http://www.gowestyautoparts.com/OEM/viewProducts.a...Hydraulics
1998.5 Audi A8 Quattro rotors - 312x25mm drilled & slotted optional! Zimmerman is great quality, i went with a set from iRotors on ebay.http://www.gowestyautoparts.com/OEM/viewProducts.a...ront+Wheel
Stock brake lines do not fit perfect. check out the above GW link, it has the G60 brake lines.
I cut my adapters from CSA G40.21 44W structural steel for no other reason than its reasonably strong & easy for me to find lying around. They are threaded for both the 12mm (class 10.9) bolts for the calipers & the 16mm bolts from the original calipers.
At a minimum you will have to add 3/16 spacers to space things so the adapters have some meat to them, since I was already using a 10mm spacer my track didn't change & I just made the adapters thicker accordingly.
The original caliper bolts are reusable but need to be shortened.
FYI the new gowesty parts site has everything required listed as in stock. If you find a nasty old set of calipers there are many parts sellers who will take them as cores for more than what you paid for them. I found mine for $38 & got a $60 core refund on rebuild units. If you do buy calipers make sure they come with the carrier!!!
Cheers,
Reuben
PS Those Allroad calipers were just too deep to make work, o well...
Hi Samba crew,
I've been mulling this over for a while. My friend & I (the audi v8 vanagon guy) have been mucking around with big brake kits for our vans & others for a while now, make a few kits for front & rear disk conversions & I've been thinking about putting together some DIY kits for the community. Many of us already have upgrades & gettting parts locally would be part of the goal. Someone with a smallcar G60 or south african kit could go to 300 or 312mm rotors & not have to even undo a brake line, just swap rotors, install caliper adapters add new pads & off you go 1/2 hour later all done. I don't want to have to deal with rotors or pads or calipers, most people can get them cheap on ebay or at a local supplier. All kits would use stock Audi rotors depending on the size & calpiers used & really only come with adapters to make your existing calipers fit bigger rotors.
So what I could make available are the following:
G60 caliper to 312 or 300x25mm vented rotors
south african caliper to 312 or 300x25mm vented rotors
Audi A4 (van cafe kit??) to 312 or 300x25 vented rotors
Audi 200 rear (same as small car rear??) to vented 300x22mm
I can do hubs too if there is interest.
I wouldn't be looking to get rich, just cover costs+time=beer money.
No thoughts on cost yet but not marking up rotors or calipers would keep it down. No cheese either, no mild steel or washer stacks & grade 8 fastners only.
Pics are of a few kits done to date & works in progress. 16" rims would be minimum. 312's fit under 16"s & the 321's, I don't know don't have any to try, Looks close tho....
To be honest, none if it is rocket science, I'm a mechanical designer & have access to a VW shop & water cutting facilities. There really isn't much to making most caliper adapters. (the hubs are a bit more tricky & don't even ask about the allroad caliper adapters) I just like the idea of making a easy kit for fellow addicts who don't have a machine shop to play in.
So this is really just a feeler to the community to gauge interest. If there is enough I'll take it to the next level but if not i'll just carry on stopping on a dime by myself.
Cheers,
reuben
312x25 + G60
321x30 & hubs
321x30 + allroad 2 pad caliper
SA caliper mount FEA
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512dude
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I think the 2wd may be different than what Blackdogvan has.
My setup is Hub - rotor - spacer - wheel
That's because I have a ET45 wheel and need 16-17mm of spacer. If I have a ET35 wheel, I would have no spacer at all.
Even with the rotor mounted directly to the hub, I have room for the 1/2" thick adapter.
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pvfahrer
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The topic openers was here last time in 2015.. so i guess he found a better place to spend his time then here. But maybe somebody else has the drawings? I'd be interested myself..
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I think the 2wd may be different than what Blackdogvan has.
My setup is Hub - rotor - spacer - wheel
That's because I have a ET45 wheel and need 16-17mm of spacer. If I have a ET35 wheel, I would have no spacer at all.
Even with the rotor mounted directly to the hub, I have room for the 1/2" thick adapter.
And yes, I would go steel. I used 4340. |
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0cean
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: DIY BIG brake kits - May 2009 edit |
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G-50's are becoming hard to come by. Someone needs to make an updated alternative. I'm thinking of looking into wilwoods sometime this year. The Calipers are so easy to work on.
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