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BusBerd Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2005 Posts: 834 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: '77 Door Vents |
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The air vents at the base of each of my front doors ('77 Campmobile) do not seem to be fed by any air source. What is the purpose of sliding these open or closed?
On the earlier bays, the vents in the doors seem to be fed by the fresh air coming through the grill. _________________ "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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VDubTech Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2002 Posts: 9142 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Right in your owner's manual.
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Karl Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2001 Posts: 6170 Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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The air vents in the door panel [not the channels ON the door panel] are fed air from the front edge of the door. Look for square slots in the front edge. 68 to 71 doors did not have them. Flo-thru ventilation started with the 72 year model.
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BusBerd Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2005 Posts: 834 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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VDubTech thanks, I have a manual but it doesn't answer my question.
I always thought that air was directed to these vents when I pulled down the fresh air lever (blue) on my dash. I thought I saw some of the early bays with a ducting channel actually in the door jamb, but mine does not have that.
So, Karl, you are saying that the air comes from the holes in the door by the hinges where it meets the body? It seems like there will be little if any air flowing through there even while the bus is in motion. Is this vent then to air out the inside of the door so that moisture has a chance to evaporate?
Thanks! _________________ "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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snotty Samba Member
Joined: December 10, 2005 Posts: 95 Location: Just up the road from Stonehenge
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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BusBerd wrote: |
VDubTech thanks, I have a manual but it doesn't answer my question.
I always thought that air was directed to these vents when I pulled down the fresh air lever (blue) on my dash. I thought I saw some of the early bays with a ducting channel actually in the door jamb, but mine does not have that.
So, Karl, you are saying that the air comes from the holes in the door by the hinges where it meets the body? It seems like there will be little if any air flowing through there even while the bus is in motion. Is this vent then to air out the inside of the door so that moisture has a chance to evaporate?
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I believe it works the other way round...the low air pressure at the corners of the van sucks air out of the slots in the door front (and out of the vents). The vents suck, rather than blow.
Useful for drying the interior of the door out as well (it needs it). _________________ 1978 Sage Green Bay |
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WhirledTraveller Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2008 Posts: 1399 Location: Cambridge, MA
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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On my '77 Westy I have the door panels and plastic off (a project started and never finshed) and I've been driving around like that. I don't feel any draft so I assume that like snotty said they suck rather than blow.
That said, now that it's getting below freezing up here in Boston it's probably time to seal that up.... _________________ 1977 Westy, Automatic. Big Valve heads, CS Cam. |
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BusBerd Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2005 Posts: 834 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys! that makes sense to me now.
I always thought I needed to fix something, unclog some ducting, to get fresh air flow from outside into these door vents, but it makes more sense that they are for airing out the inside of your door.
Although as I write this I am remembering that the plastic vapor barrier that was behind the door panel when I took it off had a channel or passage way in it for this vent. A plastic "ducting" of sorts. The plastic is not shown on the schematics above. I thought I recalled it going towards the hinges side of the door. So I wonder if they were meant to air out the inside of the doors! because the plastic in effect sealed off the inside of the door from this vent.
I am sure the german engineers had some good reason for these vents. I just wonder what exactly they were for. _________________ "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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BusBerd Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2005 Posts: 834 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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snotty wrote: |
I believe it works the other way round...the low air pressure at the corners of the van sucks air out of the slots in the door front (and out of the vents). The vents suck, rather than blow. |
That makes sense to me. _________________ "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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Jamesn71 Samba Member
Joined: October 01, 2009 Posts: 64 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Do they provide good airflow to the rear? I was thinking of removing the blue sliders when I replace the panels. _________________ 72 Transporter |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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they keep your butt cool. The air is pulled in through the front of the door. Helps to keep the inside of the doors dry too. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Jamesn71 wrote: |
Do they provide good airflow to the rear? I was thinking of removing the blue sliders when I replace the panels. |
That is also what I would like to do, as I do not see the utility of the blue sliders. I'd like to leave the new panels alone and let them "bridge" the vent that has the blue slider in it.
Is there any reason that the blue slider vent should be maintained? _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
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KailuaVeeDub Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2012 Posts: 35 Location: Kailua Hawaii
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: '77 Door Vents |
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I have a 76, so would it be unadvisable to permanently remove the air channels off of my door panels? I like the clean look of it without it. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: '77 Door Vents |
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the door vents work in conjunction with the inside front of the door to allow more cooling air thru the bus in summer.
_________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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KailuaVeeDub Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2012 Posts: 35 Location: Kailua Hawaii
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:33 am Post subject: Re: '77 Door Vents |
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OK thanks, talking about channels that are also arm rests |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: Re: '77 Door Vents |
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SGKent wrote: |
the door vents work in conjunction with the inside front of the door to allow more cooling air thru the bus in summer.
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OK thanks, talking about channels that are also arm rests |
no. They have nothing to do with the armrest vent. There are four oval openings in that photo above on the door that I posted. There are actually total of ten but they weren't in that first photo. See the photo below for all the vent openings on the front. They allow venting between them and the slider vent. You have to open the door to see them. They also help dry out the inside of the door and help preserve the door cards.
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:54 am Post subject: Re: '77 Door Vents |
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You can remove the armrest channels with no real ill effects. Lots of buses didn't have them. Of course you'll lose the direct airflow to the rear part of the bus but that's about it.
You'll need to find the covers that are closed off for the ends of the air box in the front. Otherwise you'll have a big opening without the channels. _________________ Dave Cook
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