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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many ways to adjust rope. I just pulled a 14000lb 40ft boat off a rocky beach in FL with these and rope plus a come-along. You just need to find one with a high load rating.

http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/Misc/RopeGrabPages/RopeGrab710.html



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

> The pin should be in the tow hook. This keeps the possibility of the pin unscrewing down. A 3/4 shackle with a higher WLL can be used as well.

thanks! learned something new, and yes, I confirmed the 3/4 shackle fits the way you pin it.. at the rear of the van.
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The 3/4 shackle wont work with the pin thru the front tow loop, it will install but rides too far back from the actual loop..
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the 3/4 shackle will work with the D ring thru the front tow loop.. (and the pin should be half a turn loose to prevent it getting overtightened by the pull)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Screw chain use Hi tech rope its lighter and safer plus stronger and it will not stretch.


you mean the stuff that Gator Supply sells for ocean going ships?

or what, exactly?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:
Alaric.H wrote:
Screw chain use Hi tech rope its lighter and safer plus stronger and it will not stretch.


you mean the stuff that Gator Supply sells for ocean going ships?

or what, exactly?


http://www.okoffroad.com/stuff-winchrope-atv.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The synthetic stuff is amazing and waaaay safer than chain/cable, but it's not UV safe, so keep it stored out of the sun. A heavy bag is fine for this, or any cabinet inside the van.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

> what exactly

from page 1:
http://tinyurl.com/yelwh6x
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read page 2 for a link to 3/4" D rings rated for the same load as the winch line extension, strong enough to hold two of Alaric's Syncro Beasties
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the wheel carrier design modified (when it was built) so I could make up my own brackets and add my high lift jack to that.

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http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/limey-the-syncro-16-25tdi-westy-330mm-brakes_topic8602_page1.html

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

>SyncroGhia: One of the nicer mounts I have seen.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alaric.H wrote:
There are many ways to adjust rope. I just pulled a 14000lb 40ft boat off a rocky beach in FL with these and rope plus a come-along. You just need to find one with a high load rating.

http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/Misc/RopeGrabPages/RopeGrab710.html



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Just out of curiosity...What role did the breaker bar rack play in a winching operation? That's a breaking device, not a pulling device.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding using the Hi-Lift as a winch: The Hi-Lift videos state that either chain or tow strap can be used on both ends. How does it work with a strap on the side that winches? How would the strap be shortened after each winch "cycle?"


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use a Hi lift Jack with a strap at EITHER end, but NOT BOTH ends at the same time. You are correct, if you dont use chain at one of the ends, you would have no way to adjust the length of the pull.

here is an alternative to the hilift as a lifting tool

titan air jack, cost about $129
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200335091_200335091

Xjack (cost about $239) video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqBQ8q2mxuY

and an old post about the magnum hand winch and building a recovery kit, with links to parts suppliers
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=343910
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SyncroGhia wrote:

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Very cool. Like the chimney-snorkel too!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon_slider wrote:
You can use a Hi lift Jack with a strap at EITHER end, but NOT BOTH ends at the same time. You are correct, if you dont use chain at one of the ends, you would have no way to adjust the length of the pull.

Ok, gotcha.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon_slider wrote:
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anyway to just buy the black slip-on pieces shown, instead of the entire ORK??
http://www.hi-lift.com/accessories/off-road-kit.html
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

squeegee_boy wrote:
The synthetic stuff is amazing and waaaay safer than chain/cable, but it's not UV safe, so keep it stored out of the sun. A heavy bag is fine for this, or any cabinet inside the van.

Robyn


THANK YOU!


NEVER pull with Chain. NEVER. Never pull or tug with cable from a winch. Chain and cables are not designed for shock loads in a recovery situation.

Mounting a Hi-Lift outside the rig is good if you keep it free of debris and grit. If you live here in New England it MUST be bagged or just kept inside.

It does look pretty beefy to run them on the bumper or rack, but you will pay the price when it comes time to use it down the road.

This is coming from my 20+ years involved in Rovers, Cruisers and Jeeps and the recoveries that are always happening. been to many driving schools and taught many seminars on this stuff.

Be SAFE. PLEASE.

Before you just slap that high lift on the Vanagon, please read the manual. Read Bill Burke's Hi Lift How to stuff. Try the jack out on the van. Find out where you are comfortable.

ALWAYS LEAVE THAT HANDLE UP! We actually use Velcro straps to affix the handle to the Jack when between movements with it. I have seen too many accidents.


Be Safe.


Did I mention chain sketches me out? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:

anyway to just buy the black slip-on pieces shown, instead of the entire ORK??
http://www.hi-lift.com/accessories/off-road-kit.html

Here is one DIY method:

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Full instructions and pics:
http://www.overland.co.za/Recovery_Gear/Morne_Stevens/index.html
http://www.overland.co.za/Recovery_Gear/Morne.html
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I decided to mount my hi-lift inside the van. It sure doesn't look as cool as having it on the outside Crying or Very sad , but it stays out of the elements, away from thieves, and off my van's already laden ass-end. Passenger seat can slide/recline all the way back and curtain operates normally.

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It's about as simple as I could make it (although it took my feeble mind a lot of Home Depot time, staring blankly in the parts isle to figure it out). Just a couple of basic corner braces, some hardware, and a little cutting/drilling.

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The base of the jack is cupped by the braces on the floor, and then a 1/2" bolt/spacer through the standard secures it quite solidly.

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It's very unobtrusive. Plus next to it is normally a tool box (or porta-potty if GF is along), so it was otherwise unusable space.

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Gave it a nice test run last weekend in the desert and it never moved… inadvertently or purposely Smile.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

> NEVER pull with Chain. NEVER. Never pull or tug with cable from a winch. Chain and cables are not designed for shock loads in a recovery situation.

"recovery" can mean yanking, but it can also mean winching
"pull" can mean yanking, but it can also mean towing

When using the HiLift as a Winch I think you will agree, you DO want chain or winch line, that does NOT stretch..

And when towing you also want chain or winch line that does NOT stretch.

The time for a stretchy pull with a snatch or recovery strap is when you are jerking the load, like when one vehicle connects a snatch strap to another, leaving the strap slack, and then takes a running start to yank the stuck vehicle out.. stretch is your friend there..

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But stretch is not your friend when using a HiLift to winch or pull.

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notice they use Chain, you do NOT want to use a Hi Lift with a recovery strap that stretches.. only with a non stretching Tow strap.. or sometimes you use a tree strap to anchor the HiLift, tree straps do not stretch like recovery straps


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon_slider wrote:
> NEVER pull with Chain. NEVER. Never pull or tug with cable from a winch. Chain and cables are not designed for shock loads in a recovery situation.

"recovery" can mean yanking, but it can also mean winching
"pull" can mean yanking, but it can also mean towing

When using the HiLift as a Winch I think you will agree, you DO want chain or winch line, that does NOT stretch..

And when towing you also want chain or winch line that does NOT stretch.

The time for a stretchy pull with a snatch or recovery strap is when you are jerking the load, like when one vehicle connects a snatch strap to another, leaving the strap slack, and then takes a running start to yank the stuck vehicle out.. stretch is your friend there..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPmu7fsqC6w

But stretch is not your friend when using a HiLift to winch or pull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQTVO6-LNXc
notice they say "chain or tow strap", a tow strap does not stretch like a snatch strap or "recovery strap" (however in the video they say tow strap one time, and then misuse the term recovery strap later.. you do NOT want to use a Hi Lift with a recovery strap that stretches.. only with a non stretching Tow strap


I would never use a chain to winch...using a Hi-Lift or an actual winch. Use an approved cable or Poly rope.

As an aside, anyone who actually winches using their hi-lift must be in dire straights...or have a TON of time on their hands LOL.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: HI lift Reply with quote

Blue Bay Bus On my syncro I cary the jack in my roof rack hold it down with 2 yakima straps works good! Very Happy
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