Typ 82 Repro

[oldovaldriver]

Please excuse me if this was already covered or if pertinent information is now readily available on the web. My knowledge of the Type 87, such as it is, comes from a few older books on my shelf. Two things. The fenders were wider, a modification made by adding about 2" of metal between the fenders and the body. Also I'm pretty sure the sunroofs--for those Type 87's that had them--were considerably larger than any later, civilian beetle.

[geneL3c]

Oldovaldriver, Your knowledge of the Typ 87 is more than mine was when I started my project ! You are correct, the fenders were wider and the sunroof was longer. Since mine is a replica, I chose not to widen the fenders, hoping the Barndoor rear end and spindles will keep the wheels under the stock fenders. I'm using 6" x 15" Centerline wheels which look fairly close to the Kronprinz wheels used in North Africa with sand tires. The '55 donor car with 3 fold sunroof will have the fabric cover only, extended 8" to the rear to simulate the longer Typ 87 sunroof, which should be fairly close to the period photos I have. Thanks for your interest, I appreciate any information that I am not aware of.

[geneL3c]

Neil and Jimbo, Since nobody reads, I'm posting photos of my solution to the broken VW 241a bearing puller saga. Surprising what can be done out of desperation !

[T2]

Running those Centerline wheels will push them out to the very edge if not past the fenders. The only way to keep those wheels in under the stock fenders is to use bus 15” rims. The bus rims have a deep inset that go over the reduction box a bit. This was a ‘66 bug with barndoor reduction boxes and 15” bus wheels. Not the greatest picture for reference but all I could find. If memory serves it had the empi 3” body lift and 7.00 x 15” tires

[VW_Jimbo]

Very cool! The mother of invention - necessity!

I have read about one guy who took a 10mm head stud and carved out a recess to catch the inside edge of the bearing race. He then took his harmonic balancer puller set and implemented it to pull the bearing out of the axel bearing housing.

That’s why I wanted to see what you were trying to do.

But, you got it! Nice job!
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There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!

[oldovaldriver]

Considering the quality effort you're going to, I'd think the wide fenders wouldn't be too much trouble. Adding steel strips should be relatively simple, or ready-made fiberglass wide fenders are also available. Other than the fenders and sunroof, what visual clues differentiate a Type 87 from a Type 82E? There is a 1946 Type 87 style prototype in the VW Museum with a British-style roller bumper and high-mounted exhausts through the fenders like a Kubel--but I don't know that any wartime examples were modified that way.

[geneL3c]

T2, I built up a '57 Sunroof " Off Road Beetle " years ago using a '65 transaxle with adapter blocks and the 15" x 10" wide wheels were well outside the fibreglas fenders, however it is my understanding that the '50 to '55 Barndoor transaxle is several inches narrower. Using another '65 trans with Barndoor axle tubes and inner box housing I hope to assemble what I believe will be a set up that will be mostly under the fenders. Still looking for Barndoor stub axles which are supposed to be shorter. Typ 1 rear brake backing plates, shoes and drums should put the wheels mostly under the fenders.

oldovaldriver, In looking at the photos I have and going back through some documentation, I believe the Typ 87 and Typ 92SS were mfg. with either 4-wheel or 2-wheel drive ( not sure ) some were mfg. with sunroof, some without. Positive proof is hard to come by and opinions vary. There is a photo earlier in this thread of what could be either a prototype or production Typ 92 with 4-wheel drive and the wide fenders you describe. The only way to be certain a vehicle has 4-wheel drive is to see the front hub. Vehicles both Sedan bodied and Kublewagen with Kronprinz wheels and sand tires could be either 2 or 4 wheel drive since in most cases you can't see the front hub. My car is already in Cooker's body shop with all the sheet metal repair work done and after the disastrous 2 1/2 years wasted at another body shop, I just want to finish the project while I still have a driver's license. I can't answer your question about
the difference between Typ 87 and Typ 82e. The inspiration for the project came from a model car kit made in the Czech Republic ! It was supposed to be a Typ 87 and had Kronprinz wheels and sand tires, so that is what I decided I wanted regardless of accuracy or historical correctness. If you look at some photos on the internet, there are many sedan bodied Typ 82 vehicles with what look like standard wheels that seem to fit under the wheel wells OK, still an option.

Jimbo, More than one way to skin a cat ( sorry Connie ), but I got lazy and took the easiest way out !

[mandraks]

[geneL3c]

I think the only way to see if there is a problem with the Centerlines extending outside the fenders is to try it when the body is actually on the modified chassis with Barndoor spindles and RGB transaxle. I already have the tires and wheels I want to use and am not particularly fond of the appearance of Bus rims.

[geneL3c]

Cooker's VW is moving incredibly fast on the Typ 87 / 92 repro body work and should be ready for paint before too long. I'm still working on the chassis mods, but the body will probably be picked up just on a temporary rolling chassis.

[geneL3c]

Cooker's is moving ahead too fast to keep up, still more work before color goes on, but progress is motivating work on the chassis mods.

[banana split]

The project is coming along real good. Looks like these guys know what they're doing.
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[geneL3c]

banana split, After getting an expensive run around for two years with little done at the previous shop, Cooker's is the place to go if you want it done right. I don't think there is anything they can't do. Redoing crappy work is their specialty !

[geneL3c]

Been busy recently trying to keep up work on the modified chassis in order to be ready for the soon to be completed body at Cooker's VW Restoration. The transaxle has been a real challenge to get parts that are compatible to assemble the modified '65 full synchro transmission with Barndoor axles, axle tubes and inner reduction box housings. I had acquired the Barndoor parts without gears, bearings or outer RGB housings and told later bearings and gears would fit, which is partly correct. The problem is that the later, outer housing is slightly different and will have to be modified, but should not be that difficult. I found that the Barndoor stub axles are slight shorter and should help to bring the wheels closer under the fender, but I won't know until I have at least one side of the transaxle is assembled so I can take more critical measurements. Sedan rear brakes and drums may also help. I found a period photo of a Sunroof, Off-road Sedan, with 2 WD, possibly a Typ 82E, with standard width fenders, which is a fall back configuration if my plan to use Centerline wheels does not work out. The photos from Cooker's shows the first matte black color which I understand is how the Sedan bodied cars left the factory, that will be followed by " Dunklegelb " ( dark yellow ) and then get a " patina " treatment.

[nshaddox]

Car is looking amazing!

[geneL3c]

Neil, Thanks for your encouragement ( and help ! ), I'm still a bit dazed at how fast things are moving along ! The second color coat, " Dunklegelb " may be on very soon, can't wait, can't sleep ! Gene

[D-train]

Working out pretty good! Sounds like a headache trying to get the right components for the raised gear.
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[geneL3c]

The transaxle modification is actually an enjoyable challenge. I think I have enough miscellaneous parts to experiment with and pretty sure I can work out the configuration that will fit the tire / wheel combination under the fenders.. I really want to be able to use the 15" x 6" Centerline wheels and all terrane tires I have. If not I'll just go to stock wide 5s like the last photo I posted.

[D-train]

[geneL3c]

Latest update, the bodywork and paint was completed at the end of July, about sixteen weeks start to finish and now sits in my shop next to the chassis still being worked on.
Having a problem figuring out the 1955 handbrake system which was missing most of the parts when I purchased the car.
It is basically the cable brake system of the Split Window, but without the front wheel brake cables, but I can't find a schematic that shows how it hooks up at the front.
Some of the parts appear to be different from the Split Window.