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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3582 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:52 am Post subject: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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So my Vanagon decided to reward me with a fussy lifter this morning after having fixed some minor bodywork yesterday.
I tried running it on the highway to help bleed it out since holding RPMs wasn’t doing it .
Didn’t work...
So I ventured to a parts store 5min from my house and bought my first bottle of Marvel Mystery Oil. Added 4-5 oz, started and ran the engine, holding it above idle, then back to idle. After the 2nd try with that, the lifter pumped up and hasn’t acted up since......
I’ll look for a nearby Chicken to sacrifice in Samba’s honor... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32632 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3582 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:38 am Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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. But Dave , the Gods demand a Rotisserie Chicken Sacrifice..... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4800 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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Marvel Mystery Oil... what it does is a Mystery!
or just add an ounce or two of Stoddard Solvent/Mineral spirits. MMO is 25% Stoddard, nearly 75% 'oil', and a few fractions of various forms of dichlorobenzene... essentially mothballs. but yeah, i have a container of it. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
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proofpudding Samba Member
Joined: March 02, 2012 Posts: 83 Location: Nanoose Bay, BC
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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I have a bottle that has been kicking around for a year or so. Do you add it to the gas or oil or both?
The whole bottle? _________________ 1988 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4800 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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just fyi.... an interesting NTSB notice on an aircraft crash attributed to MMO. mixed at a way higher proportion than recommended by MMO.
https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2...amp;akey=1
my guess is that it didn't ruin the engine thru decreased fuel lubricity but changed the combustion temp and burned some valves OR he/she was trying to fix an existing problem prior to takeoff with MMO. totally WAG on my part but serves as a caution to adding junk willy nilly to fuel or oil and in crazy proportions. YMMV. or you may crash and burn. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
www.thefixitworkshop.com |
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mikemtnbike Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2015 Posts: 2797 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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I am not a wizard like dan. FYI my man the first time I took the (or any) motor out, my favorite resource was a 90’s text description from the Gerry citing you. Thanks!
That all said and anyhoo, I’ve been told by friends way smarter than me in stuff like this that mmo is basically atf- oil with lots of cleaners added. Actually makes sense for un-sticking lifters.... _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL 2.1 AT Westfauxlia. "Frankie" Totaled https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=764510&highlight=carnage
1995 Eurovan Camper "Marzivan"
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7925 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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jlrftype7 wrote: |
So my Vanagon decided to reward me with a fussy lifter this morning after having fixed some minor bodywork yesterday...
bought my first bottle of Marvel Mystery Oil. Added 4-5 oz, started and ran the engine, holding it above idle, then back to idle. After the 2nd try with that, the lifter pumped up and hasn’t acted up since... |
Welcome to the prestigious club.
DanHoug wrote: |
just fyi.... an interesting NTSB notice on an aircraft crash attributed to MMO. mixed at a way higher proportion than recommended by MMO. |
Morals of the story:
1) Read the [bleep]ing instructions.
2) Don't think that adding 4x the instructed amount will work 4x better, especially in an engine that has (presumably) gone past its overhaul hours.
3) Read and follow the [bleep]ing instructions! _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - 孔子 |
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3582 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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Interesting update... Engine is burning oil now out of the tailpipe if revs are held steady while parked . Hadn’t seen that before, but I am consuming oil ordinarily with no external leaks, so maybe the MMO mixture loosened some stuff up. I can always drain the oil and start over with plain oil if this keeps up.
I checked the oil level to make sure it wasn’t overfilled since I had added those few ounces of MMO to my existing oil.
I’ll take it for a highway drive tomorrow and see what happens.
_________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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70coupyel Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2006 Posts: 1657 Location: So.Cal
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
Morals of the story:
1) Read the [bleep]ing instructions.
2) Don't think that adding 4x the instructed amount will work 4x better, especially in an engine that has (presumably) gone past its overhaul hours.
3) Read and follow the [bleep]ing instructions! |
I think I just.learned.that my 1.9 has to be overhauled after so many hours.😅😂🤣😅😀🤪 _________________
TheAndante wrote: |
Saying that specs are different than dimensions doesn't make sense. Porsche specs/VW specs/engineering specs are nothing but a series of dimensions,sizes,percentages,measurements, etc. |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=338946&highlight=
70 KG Coup
83 Westy Waterboxer |
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vegpedlr Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2014 Posts: 774 Location: TBD
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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I just bought a bottle, so maybe I’ve joined the cult as well. Hopefully it’ll prevent an occasional sticky lifter. We’ll see. The weird wintergreen scent is too much for my niece. Definitely too mysterious for her. _________________ 1985 Tintop 4 sp GW 2.3 “Connie”
2006 Mk V GTI 2.0 FSI “Penelope” |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7925 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:48 am Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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70coupyel wrote: |
I think I just.learned.that my 1.9 has to be overhauled after so many hours.😅😂🤣😅😀🤪 |
Only if you're flying with that 1.9... and last I checked, bricks don't have wings.😉😂😈 _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - 孔子 |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:48 am Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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A Samba TrueAlternative fact (tm)
MMO Was inspired by two old guys from NY y and MN running around naked in the woods together.
Kelly Anne Conway _________________ .ssS! |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:52 am Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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Abscate wrote: |
A Samba TrueAlternative fact (tm)... |
...(which we can neither confirm nor deny)...
FWIW, I've been using MMO consistently for the past 10 years...4 oz. in every
oil change & NEVER any lifter noise...even after 5 month winter nap...
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4800 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:03 am Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
Only if you're flying with that 1.9... and last I checked, bricks don't have wings.😉😂😈 |
with sufficient thrust, even pigs can fly..... _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3582 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:14 am Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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We veered off Topic....
Anyway, I bought fresh oil today so if need be, I’ll dump the MMO mixture.
Before I do that, I’m losing a 1/2 out of the engine as a test since normally I run it between the marks on oil level and now I’m at the full mark.
THAT could be the source of my now apparent oil burning as opposed to burning it with no visible ‘plume’ behind me like I normally do ( the aka Wildthings 1.9 liter method ) _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3582 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: You People Are Scary Voodoo.... |
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I drained 1 qt out of the engine and added 1/2 qt of engine oil to get the level between the marks on the dipstick . Drove the Vanagon, no more oil burning out of the exhaust. _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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