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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:58 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

This is an excellent tutorial, I finished this project on the passenger side last night, and am very pleased with the results. I used lithium grease on this one, but will try "Sil-Glide" (NAPA) on the drivers side when I get to that. Supposed to have the same "no-drip, no-run, won't-harden" qualities as lithium, but even slicker.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

The problem for the 1971 Beetle sedan is it seems impossible to get the metal bracket screwed to the armrest to go into the open end metal bracket, that holds the panel on to the door, without destroying the door paint and possibly breaking panel metal clips. There seems to be no way to bend the panel enough to get it to slide inside that door clip. Obviously it is much easier if you can screw the armrest on to the door after the panel has been installed. If that bracket is not in that slot, there is nothing to allow the door to be closed without potentially causing several panel clips to pop out.

I have not found any how to on this frustration.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

KenM wrote:
The problem for the 1971 Beetle sedan is it seems impossible to get the metal bracket screwed to the armrest to go into the open end metal bracket, that holds the panel on to the door, without destroying the door paint and possibly breaking panel metal clips. There seems to be no way to bend the panel enough to get it to slide inside that door clip. Obviously it is much easier if you can screw the armrest on to the door after the panel has been installed. If that bracket is not in that slot, there is nothing to allow the door to be closed without potentially causing several panel clips to pop out.

I have not found any how to on this frustration.

Ken


Any help is appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

KenM wrote:
The problem for the 1971 Beetle sedan is it seems impossible to get the metal bracket screwed to the armrest to go into the open end metal bracket, that holds the panel on to the door, without destroying the door paint and possibly breaking panel metal clips. There seems to be no way to bend the panel enough to get it to slide inside that door clip. Obviously it is much easier if you can screw the armrest on to the door after the panel has been installed. If that bracket is not in that slot, there is nothing to allow the door to be closed without potentially causing several panel clips to pop out.

I have not found any how to on this frustration.

Ken


The method I use is simple. Start with the door panel all set up with clips and the handle installed. Position the door card about a 1/2" above the metal door channel for the card bracket. While pushing in the door card, to eventually have the bracket engage with the door channel, I also, slightly pull out the top of the door card so as not to allow the door card clips to scratch the paint. The door bracket will be pushed against the door inner metal and will find the channel. You will know it is engaged when all of the clips are in their relative positions for their seperate holes, and you can pull on the pull handle and the card does not move towards you without the door.

Then go around the perimeter and position the clips to reside in there door holes. After all of them are lined up, hit each one in, one at a time. Reassemble the remaining door components.

Hope that helps. That door card can be bent a fair amount.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

I tried that same technique multiple times. It will not bend enough to catch the tab, plus the clips start catching the painted areas (covered with tape, but it still hangs up there when trying to push it down. I then had issues with the lower clips as well. The how to guide mentions there is/was a strap that caught the tab instead of the armrest bracket, itself. The picture in Haynes is too small and poor quality to see what that strap is, and I could not find any mention of it on any other source. It looks like it may have been some "seat belt like" material.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

Never seen a cloth type strap, VW did put a piece of upholstery material in glued to the strap, more of a filler for tightness . A cloth strap will not work for very long, door panel will get loser each time you close the door.

Jimbo plan will work. I set the panel in place with a bath towel draped across the top which covers down to the metal strap for the door handle, then tilt the panel back at the top only, raise the panel only enough to clear the slot for the strap, keeping the lower portion against the door, push in a little at the center, catch the strap, lower the panel in place, remove the towel, line up the clips, whack whack whack and you are done.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

busman78 wrote:
Never seen a cloth type strap, VW did put a piece of upholstery material in glued to the strap, more of a filler for tightness . A cloth strap will not work for very long, door panel will get loser each time you close the door.

Jimbo plan will work. I set the panel in place with a bath towel draped across the top which covers down to the metal strap for the door handle, then tilt the panel back at the top only, raise the panel only enough to clear the slot for the strap, keeping the lower portion against the door, push in a little at the center, catch the strap, lower the panel in place, remove the towel, line up the clips, whack whack whack and you are done.


The towel is a great idea. I will have to try that.
The clips were still hitting on the bottom and the sides, so I will try draping and taping the towels around the outer framework. Hopefully I can push the center enough, but this panel does not like to be bent much at all.
Thank you for the suggestions. I assume the door crank spring is also installed after the panel is connected to the tab.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdubber wrote:
Excellent tutorial. It's obviously helped a lot of people since it was first posted and will continue for a long time to come.

I am just now reinstalling everything back inside my 1974 doors after dis-assembly for a paint job.

I am having problems with the glass jamming against the brand new outer window scraper rubber as the window gets to within 4 inches of full closure. I force cranked it thinking that the glass was stuck because the brand new felt channels were tight, and have actually managed to pull the scraper from the door where it abuts the vent window frame and has actually damaged inside metal strip which secures the scraper rubber to the polished aluminum trim. I'm going to disassemble all and see if I can savage this outside scraper.

I paid a higher price for a "German" scraper from one of the better known VW parts suppliers. If it isn't a topic of discussion ("German" parts) on the forums it should be because I wonder about the origin of these "German" parts. They actually have it in quotes on the labels attached to the parts.


Iím having a similar issue as vdubber with the glass jamming. I replaced all the scrapers and channels as well as the regulator. Now the window rocks forward and jams against the vent channel. I can manually pull it back but I canít seem to adjust it away. Any tips?

Edit: just needed to take a break. Came back a couple days later and was able to adjust the window mounting properly
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

driver window is still sticking cranking up about half way the window shifts or tilts forward a bit from there I have to grab top of the window pull it up and towards the back as i crank it up. Maybe the plastic guides on the regulator getting sloppy they don't seem to be loose.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

The same thing happens with my driver side. I think if I adjust the bolts that hold the base of the glass that that'll fix it. I'm just too lazy right now to do it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

Sorry if it's obvious, but is it possible to remove just the door panel and tilt the vent window assembly as shown without removing the window regulator or glass? I need to tighten that pivot bolt on it in order for it to actually blow air in my face when I drive Laughing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

Yes. You'll have to reach your fingers up there and you'll feel the head of the tightening bolt. I don't remember what size it is, but I have a wrench that I bent a little that works great.
...Rich

You don't need to tilt the window.
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