Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Window Regulator How-To
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Forum Index -> Beetle - Late Model/Super - 1968-up Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
zerzat
Samba Member


Joined: March 22, 2018
Posts: 1
Location: TX
zerzat is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdubber wrote:
Excellent tutorial. It's obviously helped a lot of people since it was first posted and will continue for a long time to come.

I am just now reinstalling everything back inside my 1974 doors after dis-assembly for a paint job.

I am having problems with the glass jamming against the brand new outer window scraper rubber as the window gets to within 4 inches of full closure. I force cranked it thinking that the glass was stuck because the brand new felt channels were tight, and have actually managed to pull the scraper from the door where it abuts the vent window frame and has actually damaged inside metal strip which secures the scraper rubber to the polished aluminum trim. I'm going to disassemble all and see if I can savage this outside scraper.

I paid a higher price for a "German" scraper from one of the better known VW parts suppliers. If it isn't a topic of discussion ("German" parts) on the forums it should be because I wonder about the origin of these "German" parts. They actually have it in quotes on the labels attached to the parts.


Iím having a similar issue as vdubber with the glass jamming. I replaced all the scrapers and channels as well as the regulator. Now the window rocks forward and jams against the vent channel. I can manually pull it back but I canít seem to adjust it away. Any tips?

Edit: just needed to take a break. Came back a couple days later and was able to adjust the window mounting properly
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
KenM
Samba Member


Joined: November 23, 2017
Posts: 24
Location: Florida Gulf COast
KenM is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

busman78 wrote:
Never seen a cloth type strap, VW did put a piece of upholstery material in glued to the strap, more of a filler for tightness . A cloth strap will not work for very long, door panel will get loser each time you close the door.

Jimbo plan will work. I set the panel in place with a bath towel draped across the top which covers down to the metal strap for the door handle, then tilt the panel back at the top only, raise the panel only enough to clear the slot for the strap, keeping the lower portion against the door, push in a little at the center, catch the strap, lower the panel in place, remove the towel, line up the clips, whack whack whack and you are done.


The towel is a great idea. I will have to try that.
The clips were still hitting on the bottom and the sides, so I will try draping and taping the towels around the outer framework. Hopefully I can push the center enough, but this panel does not like to be bent much at all.
Thank you for the suggestions. I assume the door crank spring is also installed after the panel is connected to the tab.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
busman78
Samba Member


Joined: August 17, 2004
Posts: 3789
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
busman78 is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

Never seen a cloth type strap, VW did put a piece of upholstery material in glued to the strap, more of a filler for tightness . A cloth strap will not work for very long, door panel will get loser each time you close the door.

Jimbo plan will work. I set the panel in place with a bath towel draped across the top which covers down to the metal strap for the door handle, then tilt the panel back at the top only, raise the panel only enough to clear the slot for the strap, keeping the lower portion against the door, push in a little at the center, catch the strap, lower the panel in place, remove the towel, line up the clips, whack whack whack and you are done.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
KenM
Samba Member


Joined: November 23, 2017
Posts: 24
Location: Florida Gulf COast
KenM is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

I tried that same technique multiple times. It will not bend enough to catch the tab, plus the clips start catching the painted areas (covered with tape, but it still hangs up there when trying to push it down. I then had issues with the lower clips as well. The how to guide mentions there is/was a strap that caught the tab instead of the armrest bracket, itself. The picture in Haynes is too small and poor quality to see what that strap is, and I could not find any mention of it on any other source. It looks like it may have been some "seat belt like" material.

Ken
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
VW_Jimbo
Samba Member


Joined: May 22, 2016
Posts: 1527
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
VW_Jimbo is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

KenM wrote:
The problem for the 1971 Beetle sedan is it seems impossible to get the metal bracket screwed to the armrest to go into the open end metal bracket, that holds the panel on to the door, without destroying the door paint and possibly breaking panel metal clips. There seems to be no way to bend the panel enough to get it to slide inside that door clip. Obviously it is much easier if you can screw the armrest on to the door after the panel has been installed. If that bracket is not in that slot, there is nothing to allow the door to be closed without potentially causing several panel clips to pop out.

I have not found any how to on this frustration.

Ken


The method I use is simple. Start with the door panel all set up with clips and the handle installed. Position the door card about a 1/2" above the metal door channel for the card bracket. While pushing in the door card, to eventually have the bracket engage with the door channel, I also, slightly pull out the top of the door card so as not to allow the door card clips to scratch the paint. The door bracket will be pushed against the door inner metal and will find the channel. You will know it is engaged when all of the clips are in their relative positions for their seperate holes, and you can pull on the pull handle and the card does not move towards you without the door.

Then go around the perimeter and position the clips to reside in there door holes. After all of them are lined up, hit each one in, one at a time. Reassemble the remaining door components.

Hope that helps. That door card can be bent a fair amount.
_________________
Jimbo
ASE Master Technician 1990 - 2001

1955 Bug with Semaphores (Sold), 1968 Bug (Sold), 1972 Squareback (Sold), 1973 Super Beetle (Freeway accident - totaled), 1979 Rabbit (Sold), 1970 Bug Cal style (Sold), current project is a 1970 Bug

There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
KenM
Samba Member


Joined: November 23, 2017
Posts: 24
Location: Florida Gulf COast
KenM is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

KenM wrote:
The problem for the 1971 Beetle sedan is it seems impossible to get the metal bracket screwed to the armrest to go into the open end metal bracket, that holds the panel on to the door, without destroying the door paint and possibly breaking panel metal clips. There seems to be no way to bend the panel enough to get it to slide inside that door clip. Obviously it is much easier if you can screw the armrest on to the door after the panel has been installed. If that bracket is not in that slot, there is nothing to allow the door to be closed without potentially causing several panel clips to pop out.

I have not found any how to on this frustration.

Ken


Any help is appreciated.

Ken
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
KenM
Samba Member


Joined: November 23, 2017
Posts: 24
Location: Florida Gulf COast
KenM is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

The problem for the 1971 Beetle sedan is it seems impossible to get the metal bracket screwed to the armrest to go into the open end metal bracket, that holds the panel on to the door, without destroying the door paint and possibly breaking panel metal clips. There seems to be no way to bend the panel enough to get it to slide inside that door clip. Obviously it is much easier if you can screw the armrest on to the door after the panel has been installed. If that bracket is not in that slot, there is nothing to allow the door to be closed without potentially causing several panel clips to pop out.

I have not found any how to on this frustration.

Ken
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
Dan Hiebert
Samba Member


Joined: July 14, 2016
Posts: 154
Location: Northern Maine
Dan Hiebert is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:58 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

This is an excellent tutorial, I finished this project on the passenger side last night, and am very pleased with the results. I used lithium grease on this one, but will try "Sil-Glide" (NAPA) on the drivers side when I get to that. Supposed to have the same "no-drip, no-run, won't-harden" qualities as lithium, but even slicker.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
tblacky
Samba Member


Joined: September 08, 2015
Posts: 2
Location: Stanford, CA
tblacky is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Window Regulator How-To Reply with quote

Hey Mike! First of all, thanks so much for the post. I'll be tackling this on the passenger door for my project '71 Super Beetle (got it 3 weeks ago!) this weekend.

I'd like to do the same for the driver's side, but there's a problem.

7) Remove the single bolt at the very bottom that holds the regulator to the door. Depending how tight the regulator is against the glass you may choose to remove the glass next (at step 9) or remove additional bolts first (step 8 ).
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


My door is missing the small bracket where the regulator bolts on. The bottom of the regulator is hanging loose. I'll try and post a photo soon.

Do you (or anyone else on this thread!) know where I could get a replacement bracket? I've looked online for the past few days and have yet to find anything.

Thanks in advance!
Tom
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
Tim Donahoe
Samba Member


Joined: December 08, 2012
Posts: 8829
Location: Redding, CA
Tim Donahoe is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I might add to this:

I had a hard time re-installing the window because the top of the window was encountering resistance from a horizontal crash brace member that is attached to the outer skin of the door (this brace is located inside, however). Fortunately, there is a large hole just under the lock pull for you to grab the top of the window as it hangs up on this horizontal member and force the top of window toward you, which will get the window "over the hump", so to speak.

And this is fun while trying to pull the padded bottom (you did pad it, right?) vertical end of the regulator, while pushing up on the glass, and also pulling the top of the window away from that horizontal cross brace.

Tim
_________________
Let's do the Time Warp again!

Richard O'Brien
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Down4Dubs
Samba Member


Joined: June 12, 2012
Posts: 2
Location: Grapevine, TX
Down4Dubs is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great tutorial! Thank you for taking the time to detail everything. I need to do this, and have been putting it off out of fear until now. Thanks again!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
Skizz
Samba Member


Joined: March 26, 2015
Posts: 3
Location: eastern nc
Skizz is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thank you for a great tutorial.
Went off without a hitch, AFTER reading this thread..
Don't wanna mention the before!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
flyboy161
Samba Member


Joined: December 26, 2009
Posts: 1771
Location: Perry, GA
flyboy161 is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome, I'll be doing this job this weekend! I will definetely be referencing this thread
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Goshen
Samba Member


Joined: April 03, 2012
Posts: 784
Location: Medellin, Colombia
Goshen is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make it at sticky
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
1970VWGUY
Samba Member


Joined: September 15, 2013
Posts: 864
Location: Natrona Heights, PA
1970VWGUY is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyXcYIyDI58
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VW Beetle and Ghia
Samba Member


Joined: September 18, 2013
Posts: 20
Location: Oregon
VW Beetle and Ghia is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much better than trying to follow my Haynes manual!

But how do I remove my felt channels? They're OG, and very nice, so I don't want to replace them, but I'm putting new my new window scraper and trim assemblies, and they won't go in without the felt channels being out. Any help is greatly appreciated!!! Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
blangston
Samba Member


Joined: April 24, 2010
Posts: 2
Location: Northwest United States
blangston is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, thanks for the fantastic tutorial! I purchased my first bug (71 SB) a few weeks ago and this was my first real DIY project. Pictures and details were perfect. Cheers!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
'69Custom
Samba Member


Joined: September 16, 2008
Posts: 2497
Location: Ventura, California
'69Custom is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joel wrote:
SDGuero wrote:
only thing I have to offer is that I didn't have to completely remove the vent window. Instead I just took out the top screw and tilted it back. That gave enough clearance to get the regulator in.


Unless the bottom mounting bolt is missing from yours that can't work.

The winder sits in a recess in between the quarter window frame and the inner door skin and unless you unbolt the quarter window and move it out of the way it can't be installed correctly.

But if you remove the top screw and lower bolt it can be tipped back far enough to get the winder mech in which I suspect is what you have done, your lower mounting bolt was probably just missing.
That causes a nasty vibration, let me tell you!
_________________
-Tim

1969 Frankenbug
1965 Ford Mustang
#2gunfire F-U-M-P!
~"I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken." ~The Boss
Please excuse any typos as my iPhone doesn't speak English very well.†
tham64 wrote:
Why tune a big round again and again????? For me.... 1 hour will solve the case Cool


www.endlesscustomz.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Joel
Samba Member


Joined: September 04, 2006
Posts: 11098
Location: NSW Australia
Joel is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SDGuero wrote:
only thing I have to offer is that I didn't have to completely remove the vent window. Instead I just took out the top screw and tilted it back. That gave enough clearance to get the regulator in.


Unless the bottom mounting bolt is missing from yours that can't work.

The winder sits in a recess in between the quarter window frame and the inner door skin and unless you unbolt the quarter window and move it out of the way it can't be installed correctly.

But if you remove the top screw and lower bolt it can be tipped back far enough to get the winder mech in which I suspect is what you have done, your lower mounting bolt was probably just missing.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Molly1973
Samba Member


Joined: June 22, 2012
Posts: 159

Molly1973 is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an excellent post. Pictures are definitely worth a thousand words...or more. Thank you!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Beetle - Late Model/Super - 1968-up All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Page 1 of 5

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2018, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB