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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Bus rims Reply with quote

I see on the Thing Shop site that you can not use 15" bus rims on a Thing.
Can anyone tell me why not?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The offset is to the inside and will rub on the front at the pan when you turn.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooohhh I see

Thank you
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about 5 lug Ghia rims on the rear? I was wanting to get a set of off road tires just for the rear and figure that rubbing shouldn't be a problem there.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will 14" wide-5 bus rims work?

My thing has only one of its original 14" rims and I was wondering about running 14" bus rims with the slots.

Is the offset problem the same?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bus 14 in. will work on the rear, 15 in. Beetle, not sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you also use the bus 14" rims on the front too?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is were they cannot be used, they will rub on the pan when turning.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with the fact that it can rub on the pan when turning, saying that they can't be used is a bit much. I use them "temporarly" on my 181/Thing since a year. It rubs a bit when full turning on the right side. For some reason, it doesn't rub at all on the left. I wouldn't recommend everyone to use bus rims, but I'm using my bus 15" rims with very minor rub. I'm finishing the tires and will then go for some aftermarket 15X6 wheels with new tires. It can be used for a while, waiting for a better wheel choice, if you have them laying around. But if you have to buy them,you'd better look for something that fits perfectly.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they sometimes rub on the spindle, not the pan, sometimes not by about a half inch
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK....
With regard to OE wheels...
14" bus wheels will rub on the front spindle, some more than others, some all the time, some only while cornering.
15" Bus rims... I could be wrong, but I think these are pretty hard to find, if they exist at all, I think only the real early busses used them, or were they 16", anyway...
15" Beetle and Ghia rims are identical, I believe type 3 rims too, and they will not rub the spindle. However they have too much negative offset and the fronts may rub the pan at full lock. The steering arm stops can be adjusted to compensate for this. That said, the extra negative off-set can be a good thing, providing more fender clearance for wide tires.
15" x 6" Aftermarket Chromies have about the same off-set as the factory Thing rims and work well, no rubbing, except with some tires at the front on the pan. Again the steering arm stops can be adjusted to prevent the pan rub.
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These are NOT guesses (except the type 3 and 15" bus info), these are tried and true fitments on my Thing and customers Things over the years.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberautowerks wrote:

15" Bus rims... I could be wrong, but I think these are pretty hard to find, if they exist at all, I think only the real early busses used them, or were they 16", anyway...

These are NOT guesses (except the type 3 and 15" bus info), these are tried and true fitments on my Thing and customers Things over the years.

Thanks for the info based on tried. I'll just ad about the 15" bus rims. They're not that rare (otherwise I wouldn't have some Wink ). They were on a lot of split bus, as the 14" rims were on 1964-later buses. Earlier buses had 15", except the really old ones (barndoor) that had 16".
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i am puzzled.

The thing parts microfiche shows a 211part number wheel.

Well I have 5 powdercoatedbus rimsn thing silver,i intend to use 185/65 tires, I willtry my 63 singlecab wheels and tires, they are 201/75 15's and do not fit under the hood.

Ist the tire or the wheel tnat rubs?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberautowerks wrote:
OK....
With regard to OE wheels...
14" bus wheels will rub on the front spindle, some more than others, some all the time, some only while cornering.
15" Bus rims... I could be wrong, but I think these are pretty hard to find, if they exist at all, I think only the real early busses used them, or were they 16", anyway...
15" Beetle and Ghia rims are identical, I believe type 3 rims too, and they will not rub the spindle. However they have too much negative offset and the fronts may rub the pan at full lock. The steering arm stops can be adjusted to compensate for this. That said, the extra negative off-set can be a good thing, providing more fender clearance for wide tires.
15" x 6" Aftermarket Chromies have about the same off-set as the factory Thing rims and work well, no rubbing, except with some tires at the front on the pan. Again the steering arm stops can be adjusted to prevent the pan rub.
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These are NOT guesses (except the type 3 and 15" bus info), these are tried and true fitments on my Thing and customers Things over the years.


Buses from March of '55 to '64 used 15" rims.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crofty wrote:
Buses from March of '55 to '64 used 15" rims.

Thank you!
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Sam, the rim itself rubs. At the very outer lip, if you have an inner balance weight it will be ripped off. With some rims it's just a slight rub when cornering others rub all the time.
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In theory you could clearance the spindle where the rim rubs but you would have to remove over a quarter inch to get a weight in there too and that's a bit much for a spindle.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the pic I posted previously, and the fiche shows a 211 part number wheel.

I will try my bus wheels to check on the front later in the week.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those might be different from the rdx box Things and the IRS ones?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crofty wrote:
Those might be different from the rdx box Things and the IRS ones?


I'm curious about this, decided to see what google turned up. Found one military 181 with the slotted Bus wheels, but the other 181's look like standard no-slot Thing wheels. Doc 181 (or Kubelmann), you seem to have a good resource for military 181 info, care to chime in and solve this?

[edit] oh wait.. From that chart posted by sam. 181's up to chassis F181 2617 370 got the 211 part number 4.5x15in Bus wheels, 181's after that chassis got 181 part number 5JK14 wheels (no slots). So now, anyone have any info on those particular chassis numbers?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read a bit more...
The early Things did get 211 numbered wheels AND those were 15" in diameter. The extra inch will prevent the rim rubbing on the spindle.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 74 has front end 4lug to 5 lug wheel adapters up front from a super beetle front brake conversion my mechanic did (he swears by the larger super beetle pads stopping power, i'm indifferent). My issue is i'm running 14" General Grabbers AT2's all around and have occasional rubbing up front. I have a set of good stock 14" tires on 5 lug Bus rims. If I understand the issue the rubbing is on the inside of the rim correct? So with my adapters moving the wheel out 1/3 of an inch I should be able to use my Bus rims correct? Or is this just wishful thinking?
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