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Volksbulli
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Enlighten me, how it the AC engine bay different from the WC engine bay? If I remember correctly my 85 Vanagon I had years ago and my current 82 AC Westy have an identical engine bay. Idk fill me in.
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SyncroChrick
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Water to Air conversion |
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| ChesterKV wrote: |
Lol.... I vote this the worst idea for 2009 - so far. 
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I second that. |
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wolfej1
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I will gladly sell you my 82 AC Westy which is is very fine condition with a newly rebuilt top end. Runs great everything just about as the day it rolled off the assembly line, no problems.....except 67 HP 
In retrospect I wish I had known more when looking as I would have waited for a wasserboxer. Those horses are precious when it comes to hauling a big heavy box around....
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Prflyer
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| vw54john wrote: |
Thank you all for your input! I don't care about heat in the winter, cause I'll only be driving it in the summer and I don't much care about any air conditioning. Concensus among you folks, I guess, is to put some kinda H2O engine it it, which I'm really not intereseted in undertaking. I just wanted to know if an AC engine would be a simple bolt-up. Sounds like the biggest obstacle is sealing up the engine compartment.
Chester - I've owned watercooled Vanagons before. I wouldn't agree that this is the worst idea in the world, as I got fed up with leaky heads and plumbing and overheating. I also have access to a nice AC engine. I was just wondering what kind of effort it would be to do this.
Again, thanks all. Maybe I'll just skip the idea. |
I think its a GREAT Idea, have owned several water cooled and many air cooled and I know there are many people on both sides, so I am giving you MY .02 cents.
I have an 1983 (originally water cooled) converted to AC, and I could not be happier, the conversion was done by the PO (friend) and it is flawlesssss! yes, all you die hard water guys, my respect I know the benefits of the waterboxer and all, but the simplicity of this set up is King, granted I do live in Puerto Rico, so no heat is needed but the van is airy on nice drives so A/C is not an issue, yes the engine does sit quite open. but it has not been an issue so far. I will take pics and post if you wish.
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vw54john
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My sentiments exactly, Dan. And thanks, I didn't think it was such a bad idea either. If I wanted heat, A/C, power, handling and towing capacity, I wouldn't buy a Vanagon at all. I'm just a die-hard VW fan that enjoys the "SIMPLER" and more traditional VWs. No disrespect to any of my VW comrades here. I wouldn't mind seeing your pics if you'd like to post them.
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iltis74
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| I don't think anyone here is saying it won't work and can't be done and that you need air conditioning. I think they are saying that if you want an aircooled Vanagon you can pick one up cheap, vs. actually putting effort into killing the resale of a watercooled. If you are still just looking, why don't you look for what you want? Aircooled models are cheap, available, and still sellable down the road. |
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jalopyjockey
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| lets not forget the oxyboxer.....er even better, diesel oxyboxer....yeah, i vote for that... |
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Prflyer
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| vw54john wrote: |
| My sentiments exactly, Dan. And thanks, I didn't think it was such a bad idea either. If I wanted heat, A/C, power, handling and towing capacity, I wouldn't buy a Vanagon at all. I'm just a die-hard VW fan that enjoys the "SIMPLER" and more traditional VWs. No disrespect to any of my VW comrades here. I wouldn't mind seeing your pics if you'd like to post them. |
sure, I will take some pics for you and post  |
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tencentlife
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| you wrote: |
| even better, diesel oxyboxer....yeah, i vote for that... |
If you build it, everyone will cum.
Oops, was I bad?
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Prflyer
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| I don't think anyone here is saying it won't work and can't be done and that you need air conditioning. I think they are saying that if you want an aircooled Vanagon you can pick one up cheap, vs. actually putting effort into killing the resale of a watercooled. If you are still just looking, why don't you look for what you want? Aircooled models are cheap, available, and still sellable down the road. |
man, you guys are lucky here in Puerto Rico its the opposite, few and hard to find! air or water cooled! the scene here its huge on bugs, but the van scene here is mainly split's the newer bunch never caught on until a few years ago, now people are just importing them in. |
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Volksbulli
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| you wrote: |
| even better, diesel oxyboxer....yeah, i vote for that... |
If you build it, everyone will cum.
Oops, was I bad? |
Pffrt Pffrt! Oops!
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MrPolak
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You can do it, but why? Ok, you think air-cooled engines are better, but at what? Stirring your soul, yes, but pushing a 4000lb brick through the atmosphere, no.
For one, you'll have a heck of a time sealing the engine cooling tins in the engine compartment, because they are different. Then there's the FI system, harness, transmission, heating ... ayayay! Just buy a tencentlife motor and be done with it. Or get a bostig conversion and fly! |
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Prflyer
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sgtpepper
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| you wrote: |
| even better, diesel oxyboxer....yeah, i vote for that... |
If you build it, everyone will cum.
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not just everyone on the samba, but everyone...in THE WHOLE WORLD.
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tencentlife
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Could happen, but for now that ad there brings me what I can handle.
I had no idea how to respond to that post.
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Most siggies are so stupid -- like mine -- I ignore them.  Sorry.
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| My sentiments exactly, Dan. And thanks, I didn't think it was such a bad idea either. If I wanted heat, A/C, power, handling and towing capacity, I wouldn't buy a Vanagon at all. I'm just a die-hard VW fan that enjoys the "SIMPLER" and more traditional VWs. No disrespect to any of my VW comrades here. I wouldn't mind seeing your pics if you'd like to post them. |
well said and nice to hear just that. i have went as far as thinking about puting a stand up motor in a vanagon we traditional  guys are geting fewer and fewer the last 3 or 4 yrs, i have  trying to figure why  btw i had a very nice silver 54 back in 99 
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Prflyer
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| vw54john wrote: |
| My sentiments exactly, Dan. And thanks, I didn't think it was such a bad idea either. If I wanted heat, A/C, power, handling and towing capacity, I wouldn't buy a Vanagon at all. I'm just a die-hard VW fan that enjoys the "SIMPLER" and more traditional VWs. No disrespect to any of my VW comrades here. I wouldn't mind seeing your pics if you'd like to post them. |
well said and nice to hear just that. i have went as far as thinking about puting a stand up motor in a vanagon we traditional guys are geting fewer and fewer the last 3 or 4 yrs, i have trying to figure why btw i had a very nice silver 54 back in 99 |
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Alan Brase
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| vw54john wrote: |
| My sentiments exactly, Dan. And thanks, I didn't think it was such a bad idea either. If I wanted heat, A/C, power, handling and towing capacity, I wouldn't buy a Vanagon at all. I'm just a die-hard VW fan that enjoys the "SIMPLER" and more traditional VWs. No disrespect to any of my VW comrades here. I wouldn't mind seeing your pics if you'd like to post them. |
well said and nice to hear just that. i have went as far as thinking about puting a stand up motor in a vanagon |
Gee, perhaps if a air cooled is a good idea, maybe we should go to a 36 hp? They were so neat and dinky.
Seriously, I have 6 Vanagons and really like driving the 80 more than the others, but reliability is not too good on the 2.0 air cooled engines either.
BTW, the stock engine location of a waterboxer will move the engine 2 inches rearward. It's all in the front tranny mount, but you'll have to change the linkage, too.
Al
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