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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Pics and write up of VSS Speedo mod? Reply with quote

I read that you can uses late 80's vss from Audi and VW's on our vans. I've search but found no write up on it.

Does anyone have pics and an explanation. What cars are donors?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am assuming you want the vss for your Subaru conversion.

I bought one from Dan Flemming (vanmanbajadan) on e-bay. He has one for sale right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Vanagon-Subaru-T...enameZWDVW

There is a little cover plate on the back of your speedo. Remove it and pop the vss in. Dan includes instructions on how to wire it. One wire for power. I got mine from the switched blk/gry wire on the steering colomn. One wire runs from the ECU, and the other is ground. I used an unused cruise control wire that runs from engine compartment to the dash. I think there are some pictures in my conversion thread, and in my gallery of the cruise control wires. I have never had an error code, and have never experienced the stalling after a long coast to a stop that I have read about.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know what cars these are off of?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are from 1980's Jettas with cruise control.

You should join the subaruvanagon Yahoo group. Mucho info there:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/subaruvanagon/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you know if it will run the ecu plus cruise at the same time?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. I think Dan was going to do some testing with that, but you would need to contact him about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan just emailed me and said it would. Not sure why more people aren't using these for aftermarket cruise and Suby installs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So do I take from this thread that I could use one of these on the back of my speedometer when I install my Audiovox aftermarket cruise control, right?

I have one of the Audiovox kits sitting in my garage waiting for me to dedicate a Saturday to doing the install. I had planned on using the magnets on the axle, but I like the idea of the VSS better.

So should be an easy addition to the Audiovox kit, right?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope it works, Dan said he tried it with a factory cruise and it worked. I just bought a Rostra and will try to hook it up when I get it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate to say this but: Me too!

I want to use this VSS along with any cruise control. Our Westy is an auto, so you can't use RPM in case kick-down happens, and the idea of using magnets on the drive shafts has always seemed half-baked to me. (I know it works, but it just seems an in-elegant solution)

I know this has been covered before here (and the AudioVox has been covered a lot on MG forums) but is there a compelling reason to use one after market cruise versus another?

I think Dogpilot installed a non-AudioVox cruise...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 1990 westy has an inductive pickup for the cruise control where the Jetta fitting is supposed to plug in on the back of the speedo. I'm still going to remove the regulator and try it. I'll let you know tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put a Rostra in. It works just fine. I had adapted an (?) 80 audi or Quantum one. It needed a fit of filing on the plastic to get it to match the contour of the speedo mount. This a pic of the Vanagon one installed, the Audi one I modded looked exactly like it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK - installed the sensor. It definitely sends a signal that my Scan Gage can read, but neither VW speedo nor factory cruise control is working. Dark now...I'll look at the wiring diagrams tonight and try again tomorrow.

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my 1990 westy has something that resembles a voltage stabilizer where the Jetta fiting plugs in on the back of the speedo. I'm still going to remove the regulator and try it. I'll let you know tomorrow

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: VSS Reply with quote

How well will the VSS work with the Jetta TDI engine/wiring/cruise?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

duh...got it all working! My problem in the initial install was that the Jetta sensor was bottoming out on the silver wheel within the speedometer. Pulled the sensor, made a 1mm spacer (2 washers would do, but I didn't have them around when I did this at 11pm last night), reinstalled.

Works great. Speedometer, odometer, factory cruise work just fine. Sensor sends a speed signal that OBD2 code reader (ScanGage) can read. So now I can read MPH and MPG along with all the other signals that the ECU sends like volts, fuel pressure, water temp, intake air temp, throttle position, load, etc.

Thanks to Dan Fleming for the sensor and basic installation instructions!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump, anyone using this mod on the newer suby engines?

yes I have been on the subaru group and have all the files.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

purplepeopleeater wrote:
bump, anyone using this mod on the newer suby engines?


Bumping this for the same reason; anybody with any further details?
Can't find specific details in the yahoo group and Dogpilot's pics are broken.

My specifics: '90 syncro with a 2010MY 2.5 conversion. Symptoms of occasional stalls, CC not working worth a damn, and lately getting a TON of 0502 codes which I understand is speed sensor (the first 2 months after the conversion were mostly code-free).

I had a mechanic do the conversion so I'm not intimately familiar with what he did. I'm definitely going to talk with him, but I'm trying to educate myself first so I can talk with him intelligently.
I don't see a type of VSS that mounts to a CV (such as this: http://www.rockymountainwesty.com/product_p/ch395ss.htm) so I assume he's using my CC circuit to do this work... are there more than these two VSS solutions that I should be on the lookout for? I have my speedo out and it looks very much like Mofus' pic in the second post. I'm not even sure how to test the small sensor (looks like a surface mount LED).

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one sold by engine wiring.com is a no brainer IMO, I connected the two wires at the J box when I did my conversion and have not thought about it since.
When I see what lengths you have to go to for the installation of some of the other types it seems like a huge waste of time for something not as reliable, that also relies on moving parts etc...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope this helps ...


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Via the FAQ, same thing as the above pictures:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=480072
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