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andyvwbug
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I guess a difference should be made between the oldest still existing VW as such (which I suppose is Grundmann`s 38 ) and the oldest existing serial production split VW, which in this case is Herman Walter`s no. 37 produced in December 1941.
But ladies and gentelmen, the reason I am posting this (and I am extremely thrilled about it), is that, right now, at this very moment, an investigation is going on concerning one car, and these facts are very probable to change, I mean those about the oldest existing serial production VW (obviously it would be nearly impossible to change anything about the fact that the 38 is the oldest). I will not go into further details for now as there is still no concrete facts, but will get back as soon as there will not be just rumours. |
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Undis
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But ladies and gentelmen, the reason I am posting this (and I am extremely thrilled about it), is that, right now, at this very moment, an investigation is going on concerning one car, and these facts are very probable to change, I mean those about the oldest existing serial production VW (obviously it would be nearly impossible to change anything about the fact that the 38 is the oldest). I will not go into further details for now as there is still no concrete facts, but will get back as soon as there will not be just rumours. |
Very, very exciting! They are still out there and being found. Can't wait to find out more details about it. |
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RichOakley
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| andyvwbug wrote: |
I guess a difference should be made between the oldest still existing VW as such (which I suppose is Grundmann`s 38 ) and the oldest existing serial production split VW, which in this case is Herman Walter`s no. 37 produced in December 1941.
But ladies and gentelmen, the reason I am posting this (and I am extremely thrilled about it), is that, right now, at this very moment, an investigation is going on concerning one car, and these facts are very probable to change, I mean those about the oldest existing serial production VW (obviously it would be nearly impossible to change anything about the fact that the 38 is the oldest). I will not go into further details for now as there is still no concrete facts, but will get back as soon as there will not be just rumours. |
Regarding the 'earliest' cars, what about the #31 Cabrio and 38-03?
I also think that Herman's '41 is #36, not #37, but I could be wrong.
I look forward to hearing more about this '41... |
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Undis
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Regarding the 'earliest' cars, what about the #31 Cabrio and 38-03?
I also think that Herman's '41 is #36, not #37, but I could be wrong.
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I think what andyvwbug is trying to do is distinguish between the entirely hand-built prototypes and later production cars. For me it is kind of hard to draw the line. The VW38 was built by hand by forming each panel separately. The later VW39 already had stamped panels, but the assembly was still on simple jigs done by hand. I'm not sure if in 1941 the production was any more complicated than that. |
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Blue Baron
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It's easy to draw the line. The prototypes (or pilot run) were built by Porsche in Stuttgart and the factory cars (rationalized for mass production) were built in Stadt des KdF Wagen (Wolfsburg). Simply distinguish between them as Stuttgart or Wolfsburg cars.
Anytime we hear about new finds in the Czech Republic it is exciting news indeed!
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Undis
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| Going by the place of production and the producer makes sense. So, any news from Czech Republic? |
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andyvwbug
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Gentelmen, as I wrote previously, information is in the process of being gathered for the sake of being 100% sure, either way, since this period of the 20th century was (by all means) very dramatic and tracing documents and facts is a long run job. No info will go publicly until then, since this is not a common case. Thank you for your understanding. By the way, who is saying that it is related to the Czech Republic  |
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andyvwbug
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Dear TheSamba members, I am extremely thrilled to finally announce you the news:
the genuine existence of the oldest serialy produced KdF beetle has been 100% confirmed today!!!! It is by all means a 1941 and, yes, is in the Czech Republic.
This also makes it the 4th oldest existing as such. We will prepare and post an article about this incredible news very shortly. So stay tuned. Now I´m going for a coupleashots  |
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GeoffP
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| sounds interesting................looking forward to the photos |
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Grant Reiling 
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| sounds interesting................looking forward to the photos |
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RichOakley
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Dear TheSamba members, I am extremely thrilled to finally announce you the news:
the genuine existence of the oldest serialy produced KdF beetle has been 100% confirmed today!!!! It is by all means a 1941 and, yes, is in the Czech Republic.
This also makes it the 4th oldest existing as such. We will prepare and post an article about this incredible news very shortly. So stay tuned. Now I´m going for a coupleashots |
That's great news. I, for one, look forward to more information. So, what we know so far is it must be a production KdF numbered somewhere between #1 and #35?
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andyvwbug
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| So, what we know so far is it must be a production KdF numbered somewhere between #1 and #35? |
You are absolutely right. The number will be revealed in the article. |
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Undis
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This is great news!
So much looking forward to more information and lots of pictures of this find. |
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drscope
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Pics or it didn't happen!
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MDKG
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| sounds interesting................looking forward to the photos |
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and maybe you should start a seperate thread when you show the pics and reveal the story |
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1961bluebug
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sorry to interrupt the silence but aren´t we looking at another epic-VW38-like thread right now?
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Undis
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| sorry to interrupt the silence but aren´t we looking at another epic-VW38-like thread right now? |
We could be, but without more information and pictures we just don't know |
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gunbab
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Björn Schewe
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| The body whis exist in czech republic was really made in 1941. It is in very nice collector-hands since many years. It is the choise of the owner to publish pictures and more informations before the restoration is done. |
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