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Blaubus Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2003 Posts: 5153
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: how long does fix-a-flat last? |
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ok i have this pinhole in my tire. weird story- picked up what looked like a chrome plated wire at the scrap yard- the straight part of a spring i think. but that was a year ago, and i left the wire in there figuring it would go flat otherwise. also figured it would not contact the road being that it was half inch up the sidewall. anyway, it worked... the tire didnt leak air at all for over a year- in service! finally, the ice pulled the spring out 2 days ago and the tire went flat. so the question is: how long will the fix-a-flat last? |
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VDubTech Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2002 Posts: 9142 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Not only does fix a flat not work, it makes a hell of a mess for the poor bastard that has to take that tire off the rim next time. You have a hole in the widewall of the tire. That tire unfortunately is garbage and is not safe to be driven down the road. |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4524 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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If you have steel wheels until it rusts them out. As to whether it will stop the leak 50/50, sidewalls really take a lot of flex. |
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theizzardking Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2008 Posts: 2097 Location: seattle
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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screw fix a flat you can get a proper plug and patch kit for like $5 more
they last forever if applied right, i have 45 k on one of my jeeps tires 4x4ing and everything, these used to be considered the proper patch for the longest time, or to go one step further why in the hell don't you have a spare tire and a jack? _________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
'71 westie "the wanderer" |
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busmania Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2006 Posts: 1934 Location: Here
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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they last forever if applied right |
Not for the sidewall unfortunately. |
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i_am_cool_fred Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2004 Posts: 1743 Location: Benton, AR
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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fix a flat is a bitch to clean up does damage to your wheels, doesn't fix the problem should i continue????
i'd rather park my car and walk than dare put fix a flat in it _________________ proud owner of a defunct 1979 sunroof kombi
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DurocShark Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 6624 Location: Crappy town in a crappy state. But the beach is nearby, so I have that going for me.
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, Fix A Flat sucks. Use Slime instead!
(Just KIDDING!!! SHeesh!) _________________ No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. |
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josh Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2003 Posts: 1773 Location: laid back in the tall grass
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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For sidewall damage you need to replace the tire. There is no correct way to repair it. It is unsafe.
That being said, Fix a Flat does work in a pinch on small leaks. It's not the right way to do and there are problems with it but it will seal a small leak and partially inflate the tire. _________________
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Stoner A is cylinders #2/4 B is #1/3 The plugged bowl is the throttle, the bong is the manifold |
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71_georgia_beetle Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2008 Posts: 360 Location: Grayson, GA
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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I have always been curious about "run flat" tires. Commercial claims that you can run up to 30 miles on a flat. Is that before or after you figure out you have a flat. So you pick up a nail that you don't know about and you can run an additional 30 miles. Could be 30 miles closer to help or could be 30 miles further away if you don't know you had a flat.
........no weed was involved in the making of this question _________________ 71 Standard Beetle "Big Bird"
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Traveling Writer Samba Scribe
Joined: May 07, 2006 Posts: 1112 Location: Florence, Italy
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Run flat tires work by having a special thicker and reinforced sidewall, keeping a little of the shape of the tire even when completely devoid of air. Extra-reinforced sidewalls for a bus tire sound like a good idea just by itself! _________________ Cheers,
Davi
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DurocShark Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 6624 Location: Crappy town in a crappy state. But the beach is nearby, so I have that going for me.
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Nokian Hakkas. I checked my tire pressures on Sunday and found one was down to like 15psi. Instead of the 40-ish it should be.
I hadn't noticed a difference visually or in driving. _________________ No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. |
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borninabus Samba R&D Dept.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4539 Location: Arizona Highways
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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put a screw in the hole. _________________ 88 Van WBX, A/T - 13 JSW TDI 6M/T - 2012 Touareg TDI Sport |
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Blaubus Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2003 Posts: 5153
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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i didnt actually use fix a flat yet, and from all the bad reviews here and elsewhere, i will not use it even in an emergency. my local guy says he wont even use plugs, but thinks that a patch from the inside is a safe bet due to the size of the hole and location.
according to the info i got, the belts that maintain tread integrity extend 1 1/4" up the sidewall making patches safe up to that point only. unlike patches, plugs have been proven not to work within that inch and a quarter.
i figure this- if it was incredibly unsafe to drive a tire with a pinhole in this area, why didnt it blowout over the last year? certainly doesnt seem to cause a structural problem at the edge of the tread. |
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Volksfolk74 Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2004 Posts: 168 Location: Pisgah Forest, NC
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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just stuff yer tire with dried leaves...its the green alternative _________________ One man gathers what another man spills....
-The Grateful Dead
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dbo550 Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2008 Posts: 365 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Fix a flat is a great temporary fix if you don't have access to an air compressor but the availability of plugs on the market along with a way to air the tire up practically makes fix a flat obsolete. But if the hole is on the sidewall you will need a new tire, no way around that. _________________ 1985 Westy
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Paslode235 Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2004 Posts: 163
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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I worked at a tire store for 4 years and know a lot about repairing tires since I did repair thousands of tires. Fix a Flat is Bad bad bad!! It rusts your wheels from the inside out and makes it a real mess when you have to change them. The older it gets the worse the smell, and most likely when someone goes to take the tire off they end up getting a bath in it.
Repairing in a side wall of a tire is a heated topic. Also is the topic of patch verses plugs. However what we did is this. First of all we never NEVER used rope plugs. All those did was leak. We used an all rubber plug with a vulcanizing compound. This would fuse the plug and the tire together, making a repair that is superior to a patch. We still used patches they have their place but all rubber plugs are the best.
When fixing a side wall you never want to use a patch. The reason is because the side wall is always flexing and the patch will eventually work its way off. I have fixed many side walls that were patched by competitors just days before and the patch was just laying inside the tire. What you want to do is plug the side wall with an all rubber plug. This will work if the hole is small but once you get to a hole the size of a 8 penny nail it is best to replace the tire. I have fixed my own side walls and drove 50,000 more miles on them with out a problem.
That is the proper way I have learned to fix a side wall.
Steve _________________ "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give." Sir Winston Churchill
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dbo550 Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2008 Posts: 365 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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I have fixed my own side walls and drove 50,000 more miles on them with out a problem.
That is the proper way I have learned to fix a side wall.
Thats cool if your rolling by yourself but you never want to do this if you have loved ones in your vehicle. _________________ 1985 Westy
2001 Audi Allroad
1999 Volvo v70 xc
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Karl Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2001 Posts: 6170 Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Put a tube in it! They do make radial tire tubes. |
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busfreak_71 Flat 4 Junkie
Joined: April 29, 2007 Posts: 1191 Location: Sherwood Park, Alberta
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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X2 on the tube. _________________ '71 Tin Top Westfalia
'99.5 Bora TDI
'85 Jetta Coupe
'85 Mercedes 300SD
Resident Off-Grid hippie and diesel advocate. |
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Blaubus Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2003 Posts: 5153
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Karl wrote: |
Put a tube in it! They do make radial tire tubes. |
yes i wanted to do that, but couldnt find the right size. perhaps i should tell the shop not to patch that tire. they claim success, but i would rather just tube it. most shops will tell you that tubes cn work their way thru the hole in the sidewall, but this hole is sooooo small- like a sewing needle. anyone know a good source for tubes? |
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