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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Vent window press device... Reply with quote

Hi all,

There are several different topics about installing glass into the bus vent window frame. Most sound like they work to some degree. But I'd like to "press" it in properly.

This topic is to find out if anyone (besides the late, great Dave Mayes) has come up with or created a press jig that presses the glass and new seals into the frame with out bending or stretching it outward at the ends. VW dealerships had plans for a detailed special tool #737 or something like that, an impressive table top window press jig! Anyone ever find one of those? Probably not. I think both BFY and Wolfsburg West say they can press your windows together, but I wonder if they have the VW made jig or have cobbled up their own jigs?

Anyway, be proud and lets see photos and description of your improvised vent window press jigs! Thanks for your answers and photos of your window press solutions!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not bus but...T3 vent windows for my Notch resto, but you get the point. Simple: I made a wooden jig out of 1/2" wood I had lying around, glued and screwed together. I then got out my clamps, heat gun and soapy spray water. An hour of cussing, prying, squeezing and frustration later I finally got one done. I let it dry overnight. It held together. I did the other side and it was easier since I had the practice. Still together on my Notch. The only issue I had was trimming the extra rubber seal from behind the "swoosh" cup at the bottom. Still need to trim it better but it's a very tight space.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks "localboy"

Now that's what I'm looking for, everyones locally made solutions to a press to press the glass ALL the way into the frame! Love the wood jig that keeps the frame from distorting outward . Great job there.

Anyone else have a photo of their solution?

I have alwways dreamed of discovering and buying one of the dealership special tool VW #737 window presses in some dusty corner of a shop that's selling shit. Someone out there has had to have been lucky enough to locate one of those over the years!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fred Squicciarini wrote:
Frames back from paint, latches powder coated. WW rubber. Made myself a jig. Lots of mineral oil. Worked like a charm. Still need to trim under the swosh...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWMR Do?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made one that looked just like the first one. It took all of 15 minutes. When I was done, I cut it up for kindling.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WWMR Do?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one local VW guy says he just takes the vent wings into a local glass shop and they do it - pretty cheap.....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should have known...WWMR do? Awesome jig, and looking the most sofisticated so far! But that mostly wooden jig with the pipe clamp seems very workable also! Kudos to the enthusiasts who scratched their heads and created these sure fire ways to do vent windows right. I just wish one of you lived near St. Louis, I'd have two or three sets of vents to pay you to do!

Keep up the creativity!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:57 am    Post subject: glass company...hmmm.. Reply with quote

Good idea to use a glass company, seems easier than to make a jig for one window repair.

I have a vent window where the latch broke off, I got a new part here (thanks classifieds) but need to get old glass out to fix. How do you get the old glass out? I'm thinking a sandwich of plywood and clamps, then some gentle banging.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: glass company...hmmm.. Reply with quote

Dirkdaddy wrote:
Good idea to use a glass company, seems easier than to make a jig for one window repair.

I have a vent window where the latch broke off, I got a new part here (thanks classifieds) but need to get old glass out to fix. How do you get the old glass out? I'm thinking a sandwich of plywood and clamps, then some gentle banging.


The last three sets of vent glass I've removed went out fairly easy by just holding on to the glass with my hands and pulling it out of the frame.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: glass company...hmmm.. Reply with quote

Dirkdaddy wrote:
Good idea to use a glass company, seems easier than to make a jig for one window repair.

I have a vent window where the latch broke off, I got a new part here (thanks classifieds) but need to get old glass out to fix. How do you get the old glass out? I'm thinking a sandwich of plywood and clamps, then some gentle banging.


I took a small screwdriver and pried the glass out of the frame from the top. I replaced the latch and put the glass back in. I put a little electrical tape on the glass so it would be tight in the old seal. I will eventually replace the seals but that was my quick fix for a broken latch.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember using a lot of water/dish soap mix (to lube the glass and rubber) and a small dead-blow hammer, a lot of patience...and some fancy language not suitable for mixed company. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just used rubber friction tape instead of the seal. Couple passes of that to build up the apropriate tickness, and pushed it in by hand. Looks correct enough. I bought the 'correct' seal years ago for my '66, and easily saw that it was an endeavor that I was not looking forward to.

If you are a correct kind of person, then go for it. Otherwise I'd say the friction tape is the way to go.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: glass company...hmmm.. Reply with quote

Dirkdaddy wrote:
Good idea to use a glass company, seems easier than to make a jig for one window repair.

I have a vent window where the latch broke off, I got a new part here (thanks classifieds) but need to get old glass out to fix. How do you get the old glass out? I'm thinking a sandwich of plywood and clamps, then some gentle banging.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typically... wood is better to use on glass, vs metal... something to-do with metal being harder than wood on the very fragile glass... as per glass blowers and glass glazers that I know. It has to do with the physical properties of said molecular physics... or whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. I use a wood block or a rubber mallet to push it back in.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:16 pm    Post subject: Vent seals Reply with quote

As to the seal: As noted above I have used electical tape to build up a seal and have also used one not mentioned; and that is a bicycle innertube, cut a liberal strip, push the glass in, use a razor blade or exacto knife to cut off the excess. I have also found that if you have a fairly good old seal it is better to be careful, save the old one and reuse it. I have never had any real good success with the new repop seals.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried the bike tube on the Notch windows. Too thin. I would have to double it and then I was right back fighting to get it in, so I just used the WCM seals.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took the whole thing out to make it easier. I may have overkilled it but this is what I did and it made it easy, protected glass from breakage. I was surprised how easy it came out, this was due to the fabric stuff used as seal being rotted out.
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I'm drilling the rivits out now and will see about affixing new rivits. plan on using innertube to seal (about same thickness as rotted old stuff) and maybe some RTV. My jig to install looks like others made of wood. Thanks folks.
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