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franklinunes
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 Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: Split bumpers guards from 50-52 |
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Hello fellows, I need some help again 
Someone help me from your books and guru acknowledgment about the bumper guards used in 1951 matching with chassis number, has far I know there was 2 types of guard bumpers between 50 and 52.
What I pretend?
When they changed in 1951 to the same same bumper guards as 52 split?
after what chassis number?
Thanks in advance and best regards
Frank |
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franklinunes
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No one know's it? when in 1951 was this ones used.
If is
or
Thanks and best regards
Frank |
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virtanen
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| The first model came probably on Jan 1952. The lower model is used earlier. |
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franklinunes
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Humm are u sure? 
January 1952 the ones above and the lower from before January 1952?
Or we only can see by the chassis number? there is some books with that kind information.
Some parts where in the middle of the year
I am not sure of this, anyone else? to agree with this? or not? Lets make justice here 
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kafer69
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi, i have a November '51 split with the first model of bumper guards and I am sure that these are original |
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franklinunes
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kafer69 wrote: |
| Hi, i have a November '51 split with the first model of bumper guards and I am sure that these are original |
The first ones 
So it means, that what I said is correct, in 1951 there was splits using the first guard bumpers? maybe last months of 1951  this requires the help from the books
I am confused, was the first or the second or both used in 1951?
Kind regards friends.
Frank |
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kafer69
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| franklinunes wrote: |
| kafer69 wrote: |
| Hi, i have a November '51 split with the first model of bumper guards and I am sure that these are original |
The first ones
So it means, that what I said is correct, in 1951 there was splits using the first guard bumpers? maybe last months of 1951 this requires the help from the books
I am confused, was the first or the second or both used in 1951?
Kind regards friends.
Frank |
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SplitPersonality
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| My March '52 is 100% original and has the later type without the "lip". |
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51Kabriolet
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| franklinunes wrote: |
| kafer69 wrote: |
| Hi, i have a November '51 split with the first model of bumper guards and I am sure that these are original |
The first ones
So it means, that what I said is correct, in 1951 there was splits using the first guard bumpers? maybe last months of 1951 this requires the help from the books
I am confused, was the first or the second or both used in 1951?
Kind regards friends.
Frank |
Frank - by "first model of bumper guards", kafer69 was referring to the version in your bottom picture. As you may already know, the version in your top picture are often referred to as "'52 only" overriders. I have tried a number of sources and books to determine the specific start date for the "52 only" overriders and/or determine whether some late '51 cars had them. At least one book implies that some '51 cars had them but no futher explanation is given, no source cited, nor months/vin numbers identified. I posted a thread concerning this several months ago and the general response was they started in January of 52. However no one responded with a reference or source for this conclusion.
Garwood's Car of the Century is slient on the point (at least I can't find a reference after going through it line by line several times).
Kaefer69 - thanks for confirming that your November 51 had the prior version originally. My 51 vert is an October car, but it was "upgraded" by a prior owner to 1953 bumpers and overriders, so I have never been able to confirm what was previously on my car. I purchased split bumpers from Buddy Hale but I am still trying to find that perfect set of overriders. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| franklinunes wrote: |
| ...this requires the help from the books.. |
The most books are full of mistakes. Beware. You better believe the experts.
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kafer69
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| the equipments vw are always a mystery! |
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franklinunes
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Ok guys,
Then is like this: January 52 the later guard bumpers, and the 51 the early ones.
Sorry Kafer69 for my misunderstood about what u said, my fault
51Kabriolet I didn't know this type of information so difficult I apologize, I thought there was some sort of documentation.
I will use it in my 51 the early ones and 52 the later ones, and if everyone uses like this, I will use it too 
Thanks and best regards to all
Frank |
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kafer69
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franklinunes
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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This is not the first model bumper guards, is the ones used in 52, your car should have the others ones the second in the pictures, that one with the lips, your doesn't have the lips.
In November 51 was using already the 52 bumper guards models has I see 
What i am missing here...u have sure your car is the new bumper guards that ones without lips?
Kind regards
Frank |
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51Kabriolet
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| franklinunes wrote: |
This is not the first model bumper guards, is the ones used in 52, your car should have the others ones the second in the pictures, that one with the lips, your doesn't have the lips.
In November 51 was using already the 52 bumper guards models has I see
What i am missing here...u have sure your car is the new bumper guards that ones without lips?
Kind regards
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Frank - I guess I only added to the confusion. I understood kasefer69's reference to "first model of bumper guards" to mean the earlier version of the 2 (not the top picture). Aparently not as the picture of his car shows the unflared version.
There is no dispute that the flared overrider (or with "lips" as you said) which is in your bottom picture is the earlier of the 2. These are the sucessor to the banana overrider (starting in July of 1949 I believe).
I would submit that most people say there is no dispute that the later version (your top picture) were introduced in January 1952 and are a '52 only part. I don't disagree. However, I havn't found a definive source either way and every so often come accross something to indicate that some late 51 cars had them.
Most people are not looking for a definitive answer, but it matters to me because I have a late '51 car (October).
Kaefer69 - It would be very interesting to know that your November '51 car had the latter version originally. How do you know they are the original overrider? |
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kafer69
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| because the first owner (Swiss) had asked to the Volkswagen for the bumpers chromed (optional) despite the auto it is 11A and he has never changed them |
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tazm
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Tell the first owner he was telling you lies !
Swiss cars had always chrome bumpers even the standard cars had chrome bumpers !
He was telling you a nice story , but don't regret those 52 guards are more rare then the 51 model guards !
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kafer69
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't know him, very interesting. on the certified Vw there is also chromed hubcups and other things what time I don't remember probable specifications for the Swiss, the first owner it is dead now and I cannot ask anything...... |
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tazm
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Belgian ,Swiss and Canadian standards had all chrome parts on them accept the trims,Maybe even more country's , but these 3 country's I'm 100% sure !
Your interiour mirror is also wrong for a 51 , I hope he did not tell you that was a option aswell ! Hey I'm trying to help you not to put your car down !
Regards,
Guido
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