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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildthings - thanks, that's exactly what I ended up doing.
I noticed that, but it seemed like too small of a bolt would fit to hold the weight of the motor, but it did fine. so far.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

airkooledchris wrote:
I forgot to ask this question until now.

I have my 4x4 and all thread, just pondering where to drill the hole based on where im going to mount it to the motor.

where on an aircooled motor is a safe place to mount it, to support that side's weight?

earlier on Wildthings mentioned you don't really need much to support it and that just some wire/cord would do, but where are you putting that weight on the motor?

is there a specific spot folks usually use?


On a T4 engine there is a missing bolt on the top front of the case. Just use the bolt hole as a rigging point.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to ask this question until now.

I have my 4x4 and all thread, just pondering where to drill the hole based on where im going to mount it to the motor.

where on an aircooled motor is a safe place to mount it, to support that side's weight?

earlier on Wildthings mentioned you don't really need much to support it and that just some wire/cord would do, but where are you putting that weight on the motor?

is there a specific spot folks usually use?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

airkooledchris wrote:
im really liking this 'keepin it simple' method:

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thats not mine, but that looks stupid easy.
use a bottle jack to raise and lower the motor wile removing it (trans),
then lock it (motor) in place with the chained 4x4


I did something similar when I dropped my tranny a couple months ago but I used a come-along instead of a chain. I wouldn't trust it to lie under it, but it worked pretty nicely to support the engine while the tranny was out, and was fairly easily height-adjustable too.

I like the look of the all-thread though, I will try that next time if I remember it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew A. Libby wrote:


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those are some dirty hands considering there is a nice box of gloves sitting right there in your cubby!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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McVanagon: did you add "bolsters" on each side of the piece of wood to support the tranny? I bet that would help.

It was a little platform with shims and blocks on it that evolved as the day went on.. I'll take a photo of it if have time tonight.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used similar to other concepts here, but when removing just the engine I use three sections of all thread that are long enough to lift the engine from the ground. The three points coupled with the ability to slide the supports on the cross pieces allows the ability to orient the engine solidly in any specific angle and to slide it in any direction.

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For the tranny, I've always just used the simple block of wood under the balance point and used the assistance of a friend to avoid difficult moments. I will likely make a more complicated wood support for the tranny to make solo installation easier.

For simply supporting the engine during tranny removal, I've always used just one all-thread. I definitely prefer it over a simple chain. The easy fine adjustability up and down can sometimes make a big difference in the ease of work.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im really liking this 'keepin it simple' method:

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thats not mine, but that looks stupid easy.
use a bottle jack to raise and lower the motor wile removing it (trans),
then lock it (motor) in place with the chained 4x4
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

airkooledchris wrote:
if I can get away with not buying an ATV jack right now, that would be great.
edited to add : ok, I also need to see about fabbing up some sort of platform for the trans to rest in, to aid in the reinstallation of it afterward.


I've done it a couple of times by using a bottle jack and a piece of wood under the engine and a regular floor jack and a piece of wood under the balance point on the trans. No fancy holders and just 6" long pieces of 2 x 6 for the wood. Fancier things will work but you can KISS and do fine. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McVanagon wrote:
Vanagon Nut wrote:
McVanagon: did you add "bolsters" on each side of the piece of wood to support the tranny? I bet that would help.

It was a little platform with shims and blocks on it that evolved as the day went on.. I'll take a photo of it if have time tonight.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 4x4 with bolt was used for a clutch replacement. I only have 1 jack and needed that for the tranny. It worked great.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just pulled the transmission in my '91 a few weeks ago for the first time. Heres what I did:

1. Put jack under transmission end, and unbolt transmission mount.
2. Lower whole assembly leaving enough room for transmission to clear frame.
3. Put jackstand with wood block under engine case.
4. Use second jack at front of transmission with plywood (about 1'x2.5') along transmission body.
5. I unbolted the transmission and gently lowered/slid it off and out, using the plywood as a ramp at the final stage and removing the mount side jack.

I managed to do this unassisted. I even got it back in by myself using a single jack, and a rolling furniture dolly. I hand-lifted the mount side of the transmission onto more and more wood blocking sitting on top of the dolly, as I jacked the front up to meet the engine. The transmission isn't that heavy. I managed it myself and I'm a lightweight guy at buck thirty-five.

Laughing

In retrospect I spent more time worrying and thinking about how I was going to do it, than it actually took to get it done.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if I can get away with not buying an ATV jack right now, that would be great.
I like the look of that 4x4 with the bolt/hook and will consider fabbing up just such a piece tonight and see what it looks like. it seems to be holding the side of the motor I need to support when only pulling the trans, which was the original goal.

now to just put together a final parts list on what seals/etc ill be replacing and I should be good to go for this weekend. (yes im excited about it now... we'll see how I feel Sunday)

edited to add : ok, I also need to see about fabbing up some sort of platform for the trans to rest in, to aid in the reinstallation of it afterward.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanagon Nut wrote:


I've read that some use a motorcycle or ATV lift (though I swear I've seen them with "one piece" support) i.e. :

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00950191000P?sid=BVReview

Neil.


I used that exact ATV jack when replacing the trans. in my Studebaker. It worked really well for that job, but cant say for certain that it whether or not it would be good for a Vanagon trans.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I built something out of a 4x4 and a piece of threaded rod with an eye hook on the end. Put the hook through one of the lift points on the engine so the shaft is vertical. Drill a small hole in the 4x4 that is just large enough for the rod and then lower the 4x4 so the rod projects vertically through the hole. Then drop a washer on the rod and finally a nut. After tightening the nut down to the 4x4 you should be supporting the engine. What I liked about this design is that you can securely raise/lower the engine in very small increments just by turning the nut.

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I also built the other winch-based gizmo mentioned previously for dropping the engine to the floor, and lifting it up to my bench with the gizmo perched in the garage ceiling joists!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

airkooledchris wrote:
thanks for the additional tips guys. mcvan, if you can, id love to see it.

wild- your talking something like this, only I don't even need the winch since I don't need to move the motor itself yea?
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just put the 2x6's across the compartment and attach the rear of the motor to it so it can't dip downward and the front (fan side) mounts will take care of the rest?


IMO, that type of winch setup is very useful for engine removal. Especially in tight work spaces. i.e. you don't have to have vehicle as high off ground and you just remove a wheel and slide engine out from under. (assuming engine on carpet or w.h.y.) I also found my worm gear type (more $ btw) uber useful for tweeking drivetrain position for my Jetta conversion.

Pic of it UNfinished. Shorter now, and mit cable Wink.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks man.

I imagine one could fasten some nice ~45* "bolsters" onto the platform to cradle the tranny a little. ..... or strap the tranny down with some duct tape.... heh heh Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the additional tips guys. mcvan, if you can, id love to see it.

wild- your talking something like this, only I don't even need the winch since I don't need to move the motor itself yea?
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just put the 2x6's across the compartment and attach the rear of the motor to it so it can't dip downward and the front (fan side) mounts will take care of the rest?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanagon Nut wrote:
McVanagon: did you add "bolsters" on each side of the piece of wood to support the tranny? I bet that would help.


It was a little platform with shims and blocks on it that evolved as the day went on.. I'll take a photo of it if have time tonight.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is very little force on the engine once the tranny is removed. You can just hang the rear of the engine using a piece of wire or cord. Just lay a 2x4 over the engine hatch opening for something to attach to.
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