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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Ghia floor pans on a Type 3? Reply with quote

Before you say "USE THE SEARCH OPTION", please just take a quick look.

I have read BobNotch's post... but as you all know if you have been lingering here on The Samba, this guy is amazing and can pretty much make anything look good!!!

Alright folks... I realize there is a lot of crap posted here on The Samba regarding floor pans for a Type 3 and the lack thereof in parts!

I have heard a couple hundred times, you can use Ghia pans with modification. No one ever has the specifics of what work actually needs to be performed to make them work.

So... who here has attempted the use of Ghia pans in a T3 SQB and how did it work? Got any pics, documentation, info... anything at all???

I am sure there are many, many folks who would kill for this info, well at least the modification challenged folks like myself! Very Happy

Much thanks to anyone who might read this and offer their valuable advice...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously... no one is going to answer? I could really use some help as could several others on this site. Any info/advice would be helpful... Thanks to all
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, you are asking for the personal experience of a very small number of people, limited to those who have personally done pan replacement. It's gonna take more than 3 hours for that person to wander in, especially with a generic post title that doesn't say what you want.

You might reconsider your aversion to search...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
Well, you are asking for the personal experience of a very small number of people, limited to those who have personally done pan replacement. It's gonna take more than 3 hours for that person to wander in, especially with a generic post title that doesn't say what you want.

You might reconsider your aversion to search...


Noted... and corrected. You are right in your statement, I am sure it will boil down to finding just that one person who did it and can answer the questions on a lot of Samba members minds. Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
Well, you are asking for the personal experience of a very small number of people, limited to those who have personally done pan replacement. It's gonna take more than 3 hours for that person to wander in, especially with a generic post title that doesn't say what you want.

You might reconsider your aversion to search...



I love you Phil-to the point no bs Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope I wasn't too hard. He has a legit question.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I have always wondered at the complexities of this.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not actually done it, but I'm currently looked into it as an option for my 64 Notchback restoration, and as far as I know this is what needs to be done:-

1. Forward edge under front inner wing ( I call it the dog leg) has to be modified to fit, using either a Type 3 repair panel or a good orgiginal section.

2. the Ghia pan has a deeper rear seat passenger footwell, so the two steel bulkheads (where the rear heat comes out of) need extending downwards.

3. The very rearmost section behind battery pan has to be modified.
Sorry I don't know the exact details, but I would expect this could be achieved using parts of the original pan unless it is completely rotted out.

4. The Ghia seat rails need to be removed and the outer Type 3 ones welded on (inners are on the tunnel). 72 on cars will also need the centre seat rail transplanting.

5. For authenticity the Ghia jacking point would need to be swapped for the Type 3 one - this is of course optional.

I hope that is of some help.

I have some pics of a pan in the process of being modified, which I think I found on here.
If you PM me an e-mail address I'll send them to you.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:59 am    Post subject: ghia floor pans Reply with quote

hello,

here you are some pictures I kept from thesamba about ghia floor pans.
May be this help you.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.kustomcoachwerks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1960

http://kustomcoachwerks.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=42385
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever happened to the pans you could order from the UK?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't personally done a pan job with t-1 ghia pans (I prefer to use t-3 pans), but my dad used them on his his Square. He did his a little different though, in that he kept the outer t-3 edge, and used the ghia metal up to the mounting area of the t-3 pan section. He had to do a little pie cutting and sectioning around the battery tray area, and up front in the "dog leg", but otherwise it fit pretty decent. Sorry, I don't have any pics, as I didn't think to get any. I do know they don't drop down in the rear as much like a t-3 does, which could be a problem fitting the battery if you don't figure out how to get it dropped down enough. He also left out the jack mounts, as he uses a small floor jack that he carries in the front trunk. I hope this kinda helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JSMskater wrote:
whatever happened to the pans you could order from the UK?


IIRC, the consensus is that—given the dollars to £ exchange rate—they are pretty pricey, especially when international freight to the west coast of the US is considered.

Basically they are prohibitively expensive.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly what I was hoping for... This now gives me an idea of what I might expect when doing this myself. I have to agree with BobNotch, probably just using the inner most metal of the pans would be the easiest!

I would prefer using T3 pans, but finding these here in Texas is like finding a needle in a hay stack!!! I guess the VW craze did not catch on around these parts!

Much thanks to all for your help and advice, very much appreciated!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about using T3 pans in a ghia,....oh,.different topic/thread.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya thats it, some guy finds a set of nos t3 pans for 60 bucks at a yard sale, and cuts them up to fit his giha. that would go over real well here LOL
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RATTRP wrote:
This is exactly what I was hoping for... This now gives me an idea of what I might expect when doing this myself. I have to agree with BobNotch, probably just using the inner most metal of the pans would be the easiest!

I would prefer using T3 pans, but finding these here in Texas is like finding a needle in a hay stack!!! I guess the VW craze did not catch on around these parts!

Much thanks to all for your help and advice, very much appreciated!


2 good used Type 3 half pans shipped to 48 States for $300! Idea

P.S. Matching heater channels/rockers available too!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, you STILL haven't found a buyer for those pan halfs? Shocked Wow, I would have thought they'd be gone by now. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised too!!! They look comparable to the pans you've been using on your projects. Guaranteed to fit! I think these guys are all scared to weld and happy with plywood floors? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:51 pm    Post subject: Ssquareback Reply with quote

Did you ever weld the Ghia rear pans on your Squareback? I've seen the treads and have some pretty rusty rear floor pans. I plan on buying this pan for a Ghia and welding it in. Did it work?!

http://www.evwparts.com/vwparts/40472-L.html

It's much cheaper and I think will do the job. Thanks!
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