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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10252 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: 1987 stock 2.1 horsepower? |
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So, my Bentley says the 2.1 puts out 90hp. A google search turns up 95hp. Could someone verify what my 97 is rated at? I'm 90% certain a minor change was made to the 2.1 that upped it to 95 but I need to be certain for a mysterious reason that will come up again later. Thanks. I wouldn't ask except that if I'm wrong it will be 100% embarrassing later.
DougM _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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ashafer Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2010 Posts: 78 Location: Denver, CO 80205
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Still got your owners manual? I would think that would be accurate...maybe? Other than that idea, I'm of no help with my lowly 1.9L Cruising 35 up to A-Basin today was brutal. |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10252 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:14 am Post subject: |
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Man, if you got some skiing in today then I'm having zero pity on you! None!
It didn't come with the owner's manual, and I've been keeping my eye out for a used one. So, the Bentley's all the published and printed info I have at the moment.
DougM _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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RGS Paul Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2007 Posts: 663 Location: Los Alamos, NM
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:53 am Post subject: |
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The '86 and '87 were rated at 95 hp, in '88 the rating system changed and all subsequent 2.1's were rated at 90 hp. The engines are identical though. So technically you have the 'high output' US 2.1.
Paul _________________ '87 Syncro 7-Pass. Adventure Touring Vehicle
"Simplicate, then add lightness." Colin Chapman |
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Rocky Mountain Westy Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Fort Collins Colorado
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: |
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When my brother was driving his AC vanagon camepr he always said "it takes the 1st 100hp just to get these down the road, and we're starting under the curve"
like RMW said, not enough... _________________
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SoonerDave Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2010 Posts: 219 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm convinced that that 95 hp is in dog years.
Schafer, how was ABasin? _________________ -2018 Ford Transit Sportsmobile, 3.5 Ecoboost, mid-length, low roof with pop-top.
-1998 Toyota 4Runner everyday driver
FORMERLY:
-'86 Wolfsburg Westy Weekender original 2.1 Waterboxer - "Buster". Like the moe. song - Pig can fly!! Not named after it's tendency to have things on it bust. |
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krusovice Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2008 Posts: 125 Location: Duluth, MN
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Horsepower? Not really. |
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vanjoe Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2009 Posts: 606 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Factor in the miles and wear and tear. So technically it is probably lower unless you just did a rebuild. These factors=a decrease in HP. |
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Inlet Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2010 Posts: 287 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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that number is only to the crank. I'd like to see some dyno numbers. |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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90? 95? What's a few HP between friends?
My '86 is listed @ 95 but it FEELS like 96...
_________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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Volksaholic Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2005 Posts: 1771 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I always felt better about the power ratings on my VW engines if I converted from HP to SP (Squirrel Power). It's been a few years since I took VolksMath, but I think the conversion is HP*1024, which puts your power at around 92,160 SP.
Paul _________________ 1988 Wolfsburg Edition, 2001 Subaru EJ251 |
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Franklinstower Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 1896 Location: PNW
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Inlet wrote: |
that number is only to the crank. I'd like to see some dyno numbers. |
i was searching for wheel horsepower the other day and could not find any. But I would guess the HP at the wheels is about 70% to 75% of the crank HP. So as an example 95 hp equates to about 68.4 WHP using 72%.
I have seen a dyno for a subura legacy and a subaru powered buggy. Both had the EJ22 engine rated at 135 hp (at the crank) The legacy put out 95 WHP, the buggy put out 100.5 WHP.
here is the dyno of the buggy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpQ0BjymPzc
None of those numbers are impressive at all. I think Bostig used to have a stock vanagon dynp result posted on their website....i will look for it.
Paul _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
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Classicvibe Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2009 Posts: 743 Location: Salt Lake City
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Link
Looks like a 1.9, but you get the picture _________________ On a mission, the destination is just an excuse.
Syncro Solstice 2022...see you there!
1986.5 Wolfsburg Syncro Westfalia Poptop Weekender Transporter |
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MSwart Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2009 Posts: 49 Location: South Africa
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: HP |
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You might have the HP of your engine stamped on it. Mine is stamped on the engine close to where the top bolt on the left (US drivers-side) that fastens the gearbox to the engine is located. Close to the plugged hole into the bellhousing. _________________ '89 2.1 |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10252 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, I'll look.
DougM _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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syncrosimon Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2008 Posts: 257 Location: Devon, England
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Here is my effort, a 'bog standard' Euro DJ 2.1
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The operator only dared rev her up to 4900rpm as there is no tachometer fitted!! Don't know if there would have been a few more bhp if he had?
Simon. _________________ 1991 16" 2.1 DJ Syncro factory hightop ex Finnish Army Ambulance, now sold.
Thinking about Thing or 181 (182) ownership. |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:45 am Post subject: |
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What about the ' euro??' ones that is supposed to have higher comp ratio/morehp, how to I D? Do ones imported/ sold in Canada have this engine? Need facts not web heresay. |
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kevtherev Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2007 Posts: 897 Location: the 51st state
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ah yes the legendary 2.1 DJ 112 bhp...it pushes my two tonnes round with ease
production run 2/1985 - 10/1992
output 82kW - 112bhp DIN @ 4800RPM
Torque 174Nm @ 2800 RPM
Bore. 94 mm
Stroke. 76 mm
Compression ratio. 10.5:1
minimum octane rating 98 RON
ignition system transistorized hall effect
trigger location distributor
fuel system Bosch Digijet injection
type multi point fuel injection - intermittent
air metering flow
Valve timing at 1mm lift.
Inlet opens. 10° BTDC
Inlet closes. 48° ABDC
Exhaust opens. 50° BBDC
Exhaust closes. 0° ATDC
Valve dimensions.
Inlet head diameter. 40 mm
Inlet stem diameter. 7.96 - 7.97 mm
Inlet overall length. 122.5 mm
Inlet valve seating face angle. 45°
Exhaust head diameter 34mm
Exhaust stem diameter 8.91 - 8.92 mm
Exhaust overall length 122.5
Exhaust valve seating face angle 45°
Tuning and Emission
ignition coil supply voltage 11 volts
primary resistance coil green label .5-.8 ohms - coil grey label .6-.8 ohms
secondary resistance coil green label 2400-3500 - coil grey label 6900-8500 ohms
firing order 1 - 4 - 3 - 2
distributor part number Bosch - 0 237 022 054
ignition timing 10°±1° BTDC @ 800RPM without vacuum see note.
Ignition advance checks 0°-2° @ 1050RPM w/o vacuum and basic timing
2°-6° @ 1300RPM w/o vacuum and basic timing
12°-16° @2400RPM w/o vacuum and basic timing
vacuum advance range 12°-16° engine degrees (9-11)
idle speed 800±50 RPM
oil temp for CO test 80°C
CO content @ idle 2±.5 % volume
HC content @ idle 300 parts per million
Service checks and adjustments.
Spark plugs Bosch W5DCO/ W7CC0
electrode gap .7mm
valve clearance hydraulic
compression pressure 11-14 bar (150 psi-195psi)
oil pressure 2 bar @ 2000RPM
FACTS! |
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Captain Pike Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 3343 Location: Talos IV, Piedmont Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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So is this Dijifant 2 with no ignition pulse and a vacc dizzy or Digijet on a 2.1 with a vacc dizy _________________ LEARN TO SELF RESCUE
59 Panel bus, 1966 Single cab. 73' 181. 73 Westy. 91' H6 Vanagon 3.3L.
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