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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake,
take a look at those books you have and try to piece together a timeline for me.
Im interested as to rather otto swapped the plates back and forth and didnt care and they both ran at the same time. OR did he use most of one of his Gmund coupes to build this racer. OR did he get rid of the Gmund car and only have the plate left, then he ran that plate on the car.
Cause if you look at this pic, this gmund coupe sports that plate. Id like to know how this all played out. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm I didnt even notice that T 2222 plate on his Gmund.

In this picture (which appears to be very old) there seems to be a dot between the first and second 2..I doubt this is much significance, but it is a *fourth* plate shown on these 60K10's

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all thre 60K10's were built I believe in '39...well before the 356 came out. It is said that the 60K10 was the 'first' porsche and spawned the 356 in the late 40's. I am guessing that Mathe took the plate off his 60K10 and put it on his Gmund. He bought his 60K10 in '49 I think, although it could have been a couple years earlier.

Im sure someone of much more knowledge will set us straight here.


Im going to scan some photos from my book of these 60K10's
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL. AIM rules. i feel like a retard after i posted this, knowing the car was KDF era stuff, and the Gmunds came late 40s. the plate still interests me. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev9B2FoQNls
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: typ 64/60K10 Reply with quote

The three Berlin Rom racers were not built at one time, each one has subtil differences. Each car also had changes over time. During the war they were used as test mules for all kinds of things, unfortunately there was very little documentation of the tests and changes. the front ends of the body work was also changed on the dark car at least once. Very little seems to be known of the work on the engine, or the final power. The Mathe car had a later engine in it at his death, and the speedo was a later version (based on some fotos I have) Mathe swapped the steering from one side to the other because of his lame arm. He also pulled the big long range racing gas tank, to get leg room when he swapped the driving side over. As far as the Mathe car, I think the last built, ended up withe first car's chassis, after it was wrecked by Lafferentz (not by Ley as originally noted here).

The car could have any number of plates, since in Austria, even in the late 60s and 70s the owner of the car owned the plate and with proper insurance could put it on any car he owned, ie the plate went with the owner and insurance, not the car.
The "T" on the plate meant Tirol, the province where Mathe lived. The "." between the first two 2s I think is simply how the plate was attached to the grill.

{I think that the UTUBE film clip is of the new copy not the Mathe car. Again I THINK I don't know for sure.}

Have since learned that the copy is not roadworthy ie just a body, so I am wrong the UTube is the original car
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: typ 64/60K10 Reply with quote

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The three Berlin Rom racers were not built at one time, each one has subtil differences. Each car also had changes over time. During the war they were used as test mules for all kinds of things, unfortunately there was very little documentation of the tests and changes. the front ends of the body work was also changed on the dark car at least once. Very little seems to be known of the work on the engine, or the final power. The Mathe car had a later engine in it at his death, and the speedo was a later version (based on some fotos I have) Mathe swapped the steering from one side to the other because of his lame arm. He also pulled the big long range racing gas tank, to get leg room when he swapped the driving side over. As far as the Mathe car, I think the last built, ended up withe first car's chassis, after it was wrecked by Ley

The car could have any number of plates, since in Austria, even in the late 60s and 70s the owner of the car owned the plate and with proper insurance could put it on any car he owned, ie the plate went with the owner and insurance, not the car.

I think that the UTUBE film clip is of the new copy not the Mathe car. Again I THINK I don't know for sure.
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I would imagine so. Listen to the exhaust leaks, listen to it running on 2 cylinders at tip in....backfiring on decel and light throttle due to huge exh leaks.... runs like shit rather its the OG, or a replica.
Took me fricken 20 mins to find that damn vid..LOL.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: 60K10/typ 64 Reply with quote

The typ 60 went right up to the late 1960s as the standard model with cable brakes. Its the pans the changed the most. if you exclude the front and rear suspension.

Or get a kubel chassis.

What two books were going for $1000, and $2500 ???
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:11 pm    Post subject: Great Photos Reply with quote

Thanks guys.
These photos are all very helpful.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's another thread on the 356 Registry website about this stunning car. Some interesting internal shots I've never seen before:

http://www.356registry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8394
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im just guessing, but I think "rhart" here on the samba is the same as Rick Hartbrodt. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup
Can't be more than one delusional that wants to build a type 64.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I been waiting for some clueless idiot to suggest "slammed, bagged, on earlies" with photoshop.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacks wrote:
I been waiting for some clueless idiot to suggest "slammed, bagged, on earlies" with photoshop.


Give it a few more days .............. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnshenry wrote:
Jacks wrote:
I been waiting for some clueless idiot to suggest "slammed, bagged, on earlies" with photoshop.


Give it a few more days .............. Rolling Eyes


Just for that I ain't gonna...er I mean ...I bet they won't do it now... Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iv seen a picture of a wrecked one of these Confused ill look it up and post it
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to a youtube vid I found in an earlier thread. The last 20 seconds show the T2222 back in the days. Probably not much use for reference but great to watch anyhow! Very Happy

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_GCORvlnBdQ&feature=user

Good luck with the build!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks MDKG I'd not seen this
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

found this, cool and saddening at the same time

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