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firepilot
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When it comes to us pilots, my boss uses the term "yoke actuator error", or talks about the short circuit between the seat and the control yoke (or "steering wheel" for those not too familar with the cockpit.
I had a mechanic help me with this installation, but there are a some wires that do not seem to be hooked up, and one line too that I cant figure out what it goes to.
Is there anyone who I could email some photos to and could tell me where some of these wires go to?
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GWTWTLW
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| the ID 10 T error is always a possibility with me. |
That's funny! I'm a software developer and we used to always ask our "special" users about that one!
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firepilot
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I am having a fuel pressure issue (I think). I just changed out the older engine and put in a much newer one that was rebuilt not long ago. The old one was running when I pulled it.
I havent gotten this replacement to fire yet, and it seems like I am not getting fuel pressure. I have opened up that bleeder, turned key to ignition, and there does not seem to be any pressure building up.
I could be doing something wrong, and the ID 10 T error is always a possibility with me.
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goskiracer
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my mechanic is at A1 vw on 9th South and Main. There are two mechanics there actually Lawrence and Richard, both are pretty good and are about the only shop that will even take a Vangon. Everybody else just refers you to someone else. Richard was great to work with they don't mind if you help out and I honestly learned tons in just three hours with him! I would recommend them for sure, but remember they are older vw mechanics so patience pays!
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djbside
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I'm in the Sugar House area... And I'm curious to know who your mechanic is that you took your Vanagon to? It would be nice to know of a good VW Mech in town. Have you had him do much work on your rig before? How's his knowledge, prices, etc etc.
Thanks!
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ProvoCyclist
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Well, im glad you got it fixed! I anxiously await more excellent trip reports from you! 
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goskiracer
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this weekend i'll do it, there isn't much gas in the tank anyhow so I'll bike to class. Class being the driving factor here taking up most of my time.
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ProvoCyclist
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But.... did you REPLACE THE FUEL LINES yet? 
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Current: 1986 Tintop GL 2wd, stock 2.1L, manual trans, Flash Silver LP7Y.
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goskiracer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: Coils! |
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** Update **
Well my mechanic and I figured out what the issue was. It turned out that the coil, the bit that amplifies the 12V up to really high 6KV? was bad. We went through the fuel lies/injectors, computer, exhaust, sensors, amf etc checking connections and current the whole way. We were getting a faint spark on the spark tester which led us to really focus on the ignition system. Eventually we had narrowed it down to a few remote possibilities and we swapped the coil from one off of a vw sedan, and it fired right up . It starts much better than before since the "new" coil produces a much better spark.
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ProvoCyclist
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Hey, if its the FPR, ive got a pretty new one (like a year old) ill sell ya
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goskiracer
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Well, I had to give in and pull the trigger on having the van towed to my mechanic  . There is another front moving through today and I have a senior design project and 5K level classes to do. I did have fuel pressure per Ben's advice (thanks Ben, I've got a copy of your fuel line replacement instructions to do after I get the van back to my apartment.). I will update for sure when I find out what the cause was, from my searches it sounds like this mysterious no start has many forms and is common.
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jkeller
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You are at the U? I graduated in ME from there!
Up until about 3 years ago I lived just below campus. Too bad I moved, I could have tried to help you out. 
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| Today i'll check the injectors for current, and see how they are spraying. If you didn't love it you'd hate it! |
Don't forget the ground strap. Clean the connections...
I had a similar issue - Spark, fuel and air but no start.
Added another thick gauge wire grounding the LHS of the engine to the body and haven't had an issue since. |
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Spinal Tap
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Personally I'm a huge fan of gas turbines, would make a great conversion  less moving parts and runs on anything! |
GM or Chrysler tried that in the 50's or 60's. I think they didn't go to production with it because the turbines were expensive and the EGT at the tailpipe was high enough that a person wearing nylons walking past the exhaust would have said nylons melted to their leg. Which I can only imagine would be uncomfortable.
I'm sure there were other reasons as well though, like who outside of aviation and industrial facilities would know how to work on the things!
And good luck with Thermo! I had a choice between that and statics. I chose statics because I knew I'd made a mistake if I didn't get zero!
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ftp2leta
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: Re: HELP! GAS leak! no start! I'm stranded at school! |
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This morning the syncro started up well enough, it did need a bit of gas to get going. Then i drove it up to school and parked it. I was going to run home before my Thermo 3 class but the van wasn't starting, sounded like the battery could be dead. So I pulled the battery and charged it in our shop for a while. Threw the battery in and tried to start up the van again. The engine just kept cranking but not turning over. After a few tries at that i went back to pop the hatch and I noticed that there is a gas that is leaking out of the fuel pressure regulator.  What should I do? Will replacing the FI clamps (I've got some of those) fix it? Or is this some thing else? Of course this happens right at the beginning of another Salt Lake storm  |
Your not clear as to where the leak was ON the regulator!
Are you sure it was a hose? Which hose?
No way out now, do a fuel pressure test. Imagine that the reg is blocked, you are putting over 60psi in there. In general they don't break in the close position. But you never know.
Cheap guys test: Remove the 7mm screw slowly (see bellow), put a rag around it.... is fuel poring out before you even have the screw out?
This will tell you to thing, that you have fuel pressure or not.
Fuel pressure tester are cheap, you don't need a good one.
Here is where to plug the tester:
Green arrow.
Remove the small 7mm screw, put gage in, secure with clamp, if the gauge as a T junction, block one end. Don't start the van, just prime the pump (IGN key at ON position), go see in the back what the gauge read.
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goskiracer
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I agree with you Westynova about the size being inverse to complexity. Personally I'm a huge fan of gas turbines, would make a great conversion less moving parts and runs on anything! It looks like the storm is passing and the weather will let up a bit, so for now I'll pull out the commuter bike, besides my gf rides to school all winter, she is starting to think I'm getting to be a softy I bled the fuel lines and still couldn't get a response. Today i'll check the injectors for current, and see how they are spraying. If you didn't love it you'd hate it!
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westynova
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I know what you mean about the complexity of these engines in comparison to theory. You have to remember that it was designed by Germans.
I am used to diesel engines the size of small houses or boiler plants the size of large house or a gas turbine the size of a bus and yet my little 1.9L VW engine perplexes me more than all of them combined. 
Once you master your VW (If that is at all possible) it will make you a much better engineer. Plus most Aero engines have never been drive over 20 year left out side to rust and still be expected to perform like the day they were built.
As for your fuel issue, I proposed the injector lock up question to Ben a couple of months ago. This is a common issue on diesels generators and requires fuel line bleeding. Ben indicated that bleeding the fuel lines was not required.
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VanagOnly
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It would seem the fuel pump is OK and if the injectors are getting current,I would consider that the fuel pressure regulater has failed.When they go they do so often with little warning.Which line was it leaking from?The regulator may be locked up squirting fuel out from a weak point.Anyone else agree?
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goskiracer
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well I got the clamps the fpr re-clamped and cycled the fuel pump a few times then turned on the ignition, then ... nada  It sounds like the engine just isn't getting fuel,air, sparks or all of the above? i was searching around on other threads with similar issues and some folks have talked about being hydrolocked. Could my van be hydrolocked somehow? The starter cranks but the engine won't start.
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goskiracer
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Thanks for the replies, yeah I'm a Mechanical engineer. This is actually the first car I've worked on  . I'm more of an aero propulsion and strengths guy. These actual engines are a tad bit more complicated than theeretical models on paper . I just made it home, I'll grab my spare fuel line kit and bike back to campus to get some new lines and clamps on. Conviently I decided to take that stuff out of the van last week. Hopefully it's just the clamps and lines leaking not the fpr or some thing worse.
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