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| I believe they are straight down? I have a 69 but have moved my Res. to on top of the master cylinder. |
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If you are using the stock mounting bracket
behind the dash, I do believe you will have a
fit problem with a brake fluid reservoir that has
straight down hose fittings.
Those are used mostly by Ghia owners who
relocate the reservoir to the top of the master cylinder.
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NOVA Airhead
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Tell me more about this relocation procedure- what reservoir do you use, and are there any installation quirks?
Does it make bleeding the brakes more difficult? Mine bleed by gravity very nicely with the stock location, but spilling is obviously an issue!
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It should not make a difference for bleeding but I would think it would make filling more difficult.
For the stock location, find your self several size funnels with a small/thin snout. They sell them at most auto parts stores. Find one that fits nicely - it might need to be trimmed.
I have one that is the perfect size and the edge wedges nicely just under the cowl. The funnel stays in place and I never have any spills.
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gheezerghia
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I used a Volvo 240? res. that fits right on top of the Varga master. Filling it is a bit tricky but it beats spilling fluid on my new paint and it cleans up the trunk area.[img]
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kingkarmann
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| gheezerghia wrote: |
| I used a Volvo 240? res. that fits right on top of the Varga master. Filling it is a bit tricky but it beats spilling fluid on my new paint and it cleans up the trunk area. |
It's probably been suggested before.
Silicone brake fluid will not eat paint like the standard dot 3.
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gheezerghia
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| I didn't know that. I always felt the res. location was in the worst possible spot. Difficult to fill with a good chance of spillage. On the other hand if your system is working well your rarely putting fluid in. I went to Volvo res. because it cleaned things up around the fuse panel and behind the radio. |
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hosspowerinc
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Silicone brake fluid will not eat paint like the standard dot 3. |
It also isnt hydroscopic and will ruin your brake system in short order. |
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CLKWRK
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yes, I stay away from dot 5 (silicone) brake fluid.
dot 3,4 and 5.1 are all non silicone (and eat paint) and are most commonly used
I am using dot 4, best price/performance.
There is also a small difference between brands but you wouldnt notice it for regular street driving
One more thing, dot 5 cannot be mixed with any other brake fluid, however you could mix dot 3,4,5.1 if you had to
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| kingkarmann wrote: |
Silicone brake fluid will not eat paint like the standard dot 3. |
It also isnt hydroscopic and will ruin your brake system in short order. |
That is not true. Jim Adney, of a forum strictly dedicated to Type 3s has been using silicone brake fluid for over 15 years with no issues to report. He had a fantastic presentation of overhauling VW brakes at the 2008 Type 3 Invasion which included the very myth that silicone brake fluid destroys brake systems.
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hosspowerinc
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| That is not true. Jim Adney, of a forum strictly dedicated to Type 3s has been using silicone brake fluid for over 15 years with no issues to report. He had a fantastic presentation of overhauling VW brakes at the 2008 Type 3 Invasion which included the very myth that silicone brake fluid destroys brake systems. |
Its not the fluid that is the problem, its the moisture. Since DOT 5 doesnt absorb water and is less dense than water, all the water settles in the calipers and wheel cylinders. This cause fade when the water boils and rusts parts very quickly. Of course the water doesnt end up there overnight and can be prevented with frequent bleeding but that just introduces more moisture to the system. If you can keep the water out then its a fine fluid (but still not as good as a high end DOT 3) |
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http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=120194&highlight=dot
since water will not mix with silicone brake fluid, it will pool and cause rust inside the system if not flushed regularly.
disclamer: that is only why I dont use it and is by no means the law 
re water in brake lines: I have noticed brake fade on my 911 on the track in the past with old dot 3 fluid, however if you never heat up your brakes like you would at the track it will never be an issue as they have to get hot enough to boil the water
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You sound like the people who claim synthetic oil will is too thin and cannot replace conventional oil because it will leak past the seals. That's all myth. Here's some interesting reading for you.
New brake fluid test puts a stop to age-old myth!
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| Then there's the mistaken belief, now earning the distinction of “urban legend,” that water is brake fluid's worst enemy and the slightest trace of it demands an immediate system flush or dire things might happen. So ingrained is this unwarranted fear, many costly flushes are needlessly performed and any unused fluid promptly discarded lest it absorb water while awaiting a future top-off. |
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| That article is about hydroscopic brake fluid. Notice the word absorb in the quoted text. |
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I am not at all concerned about how much water can be absorbed by brake fluid. It never stays in long enough. My concern is using standard fluid that could possibly drip and ruin a paint job. I don't worry about this with silicone. Besides, flushing the fluid no matter what type every 2 years is good preventative maintenence on any car.
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| You WANT the fluid to absorb the moisture. Silicon cant and thats the problem. The only issue with DOT 3 and 4 and moisture is the boiling point lowers but this isnt an issue for street cars. DOT 5 was created for show cars that are never driven and want to keep the paint pretty and race cars that change the fluid after every race (it has the highest boiling point) but it has been abandoned by most teams. No auto manufacture I know of uses DOT 5 |
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What about Harley Davidson, they demand it!!!!!!!
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